Hmmm, a site for webmasters eh? It needs some content and lots of work. You really to add some pizazz to your site. All that wide open white space and barely any graphics. You also broke some cardinal rules like:
Never ever put on your page the words 'Under Construction'. If the page hasn't been done, just link it back to your home page. Coming soon is also not allowed.
Never put silly things on your site like polls.
Never ever put up a tutorial unless your grandmother can follow the directions.
Never ever have a tutorial page with just one item on it.
Never have a page without pictures.
Never ever use any bulletin board software but V-bulletin. Okay I am just halfway kidding on that one.
Anyway I think that right now there is no possible reason for anyone to ever want to visit your site a second time. Of course, that can be fixed with a combination of a new better logo, some graphics, some content and some reason for people to return. Really don't mean to be hard on you but there just taint much there.
Mark Irving I have a mind like a steel trap; it is rusty and illegal in 47 states
And to add one from "web pages that suck", don't use cliched images like a globe for the world wide web, unless you're like an airline and it's really appropriate. Otherwise it's trite. Mercifully, it didn't even display in IE for me, but it did in NS. Ain't that a reversal?
No meta tags whatsoever. WTF? You profess this is a site for webmasters and you don't even implement one of the basics into your own site?
In NS 4.6 your CSS doesn't work right, so I can't even see the blue text on the blue background of those nav boxes. Webmasters should test their sites in more than one browser.
Under the home box, you have an anchored link to your poll which is already on the same page, so it doesn't do squat, just makes it look silly for having a link there at all.
It helps to have a "contact" link somewhere, too.
The Webmistress posted this at 08:01 — 26th June 2001.
Never ever put on your page the words 'Under Construction'. If the page hasn't been done, just link it back to your home page. Coming soon is also not allowed.
Well, it's just temporairly, I'm planning on adding stuff soon. Like domain registration, but I havn't made up my mind yet.
Never put silly things on your site like polls.
Gee, after all that time searching for a poll... Bye bye poll
Never ever put up a tutorial unless your grandmother can follow the directions.
I know it's a little hard, but I wrote it 2 months ago.
Never ever have a tutorial page with just one item on it.
You need to start somewhere...
Never have a page without pictures.
On all of them are pictures. The logo for example
Never ever use any bulletin board software but V-bulletin. Okay I am just halfway kidding on that one.
Quote: Originally posted by The Webmistress I agree with everything that's been said above. As a webmaster I don't think that this site would inspire me to use it's services.
Hé, just beginning. Well, to the trashcan I guess.
It works on a small screen (800*600) but anything larger and it looks a wee bit daft as it look so bare.
I use 1024x768 and it looks good. I was planning on adding a banner at the top, but I didn't find any good banners yet.
Not having a way of contacting you also does not instill confidence.
There is allways the forum.
What will be going on the home page once everything is finished???
Now now, you didn't need to be so hard on the poor guy (?). Polls aren't a bad thing really. If the question is stupid, they are, but they can also be a good way to find out about what your visitors want to see on your site.
I would probably say that you shouldn't make a site public until you've got a reasonable amount of content there (that's why there's no meta tags, right? I never put mine in until its ready to be seen by the public). When people come and they don't see anything but "coming soon" they're not likely to return. It's fine to show it to us for a critique in the intial stages (actually, better to get it critiqued early to make it easy to change stuff).
Logos for webmaster sites are hard, I should know. It's really difficult to think of a graphic image that represents the subject, so you might want to just not bother and do something with interesting fonts instead. Or maybe just take that globe out of there and leave it like that. COuld make for a good, light look. Add some sort of tagline below the logo that somehow explains what the site is about (since that isn't obvious). Maybe fill the letters of Site-32 with a tangerine colour, or use that as a background for the header and nav areas. That would be a really interesting colour scheme.
Once you've got a logo you need to make the rest of your design coordinate with it. In this design, your logo doesn't really match the rest of the site. The pages also seem really empty - even if you imagined that there was content there.
Lots of work to do, but there is some potential IMO.
Quote: Originally posted by Megan Jack Now now, you didn't need to be so hard on the poor guy
Well actually I am harder on someone that has a site for webmasters more than I would be on someone's personal site. Just because if it is made for someone like me, my expectations are higher. And I know it is only the beginning of the site but he did ask for a review.
Mark Irving I have a mind like a steel trap; it is rusty and illegal in 47 states
I don't mind you guys being so rude, it's a good base of learning. The guys from freewebspace.net only said good stuff about it, so I didn't knew it was this bad. I'll be back on you.
Really nice folks you guys.
The Webmistress posted this at 16:14 — 26th June 2001.
Quote: Originally posted by Gyrbo I don't mind you guys being so rude........
I don't think that any of us were intending to be rude and I hope you didn't take it that way, we speak as we find here and I generally think it does help people.
I hope you stick around and participate by offering critiques on others sites.
Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....
I don't think that any of us were intending to be rude and I hope you didn't take it that way, we speak as we find here and I generally think it does help people.
I hope you stick around and participate by offering critiques on others sites.
I took it as good critique. But I'm not so good in design. The coding is verry easy, but making up a good design...
Also, I'm not verry ceptical on other sites, most of the time, I just like sites.
Quote: Originally posted by Gyrbo
But I'm not so good in design. The coding is verry easy, but making up a good design...
Gyrbo, the thing is you don't have to be a great web designer. Some people love the programming part and don't really give a hang for the design part. Others wouldn't know how to program their VCR. But if you have a website without any design to it, you are in trouble. So I would advise you to learn some basic design or work with someone who can't program but is a great designer.
Actually as far as the rude part, I look at it like this. If your purpose is to make fun of the other person and his work, you are being rude. If your purpose is to tell the truth to encourage someone to do better, then it is criticism. Also if you look at the word rude in the dictionary, here is what you get: being in a rough or unfinished state. So it looks like there are quite a few of us that have rather rude websites. LOL.
Mark Irving I have a mind like a steel trap; it is rusty and illegal in 47 states
Okay, okay. I just don't want the new posters to think we're not nice people Glad that's not the case here (and I know I've posted many brutal crits in the past...)
Funny guys over here. I'm working on a script of mine called Rate-32. Right now, it's done pretty good, so I'll start to redesign my website. I'll post anything I got right away, so you can give comments. That way, it will be (finaly) a good website.
BTW anybody good at design but not a programming?
I visited your website and have a couple of comments. As you are aware, I'm not an expert by any means, but I personally think you need to add some graphics to give it some spice. It seems to be bare. The pages load quickly, but thats not enough to keep interest. I liked your forum and tried to register, but it kept rejecting me.
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mairving posted this at 01:46 — 26th June 2001.
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Hmmm, a site for webmasters eh? It needs some content and lots of work. You really to add some pizazz to your site. All that wide open white space and barely any graphics. You also broke some cardinal rules like:
Anyway I think that right now there is no possible reason for anyone to ever want to visit your site a second time. Of course, that can be fixed with a combination of a new better logo, some graphics, some content and some reason for people to return. Really don't mean to be hard on you but there just taint much there.
Mark Irving
I have a mind like a steel trap; it is rusty and illegal in 47 states
TheGizmoid posted this at 03:11 — 26th June 2001.
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LOL! mairving tells it like it is!
And to add one from "web pages that suck", don't use cliched images like a globe for the world wide web, unless you're like an airline and it's really appropriate. Otherwise it's trite. Mercifully, it didn't even display in IE for me, but it did in NS. Ain't that a reversal?
No meta tags whatsoever. WTF? You profess this is a site for webmasters and you don't even implement one of the basics into your own site?
In NS 4.6 your CSS doesn't work right, so I can't even see the blue text on the blue background of those nav boxes. Webmasters should test their sites in more than one browser.
Under the home box, you have an anchored link to your poll which is already on the same page, so it doesn't do squat, just makes it look silly for having a link there at all.
It helps to have a "contact" link somewhere, too.
The Webmistress posted this at 08:01 — 26th June 2001.
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I agree with everything that's been said above. As a webmaster I don't think that this site would inspire me to use it's services.
It works on a small screen (800*600) but anything larger and it looks a wee bit daft as it look so bare.
Not having a way of contacting you also does not instill confidence.
What will be going on the home page once everything is finished???
Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....
Gyrbo posted this at 12:05 — 26th June 2001.
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Thanks for comments, I'm just redoing my site.
Well, it's just temporairly, I'm planning on adding stuff soon. Like domain registration, but I havn't made up my mind yet.
Gee, after all that time searching for a poll... Bye bye poll
I know it's a little hard, but I wrote it 2 months ago.
You need to start somewhere...
On all of them are pictures. The logo for example
Never heard of it, I like phpBB verry mutch.
Gyrbo posted this at 12:08 — 26th June 2001.
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Megan posted this at 13:24 — 26th June 2001.
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Now now, you didn't need to be so hard on the poor guy (?). Polls aren't a bad thing really. If the question is stupid, they are, but they can also be a good way to find out about what your visitors want to see on your site.
I would probably say that you shouldn't make a site public until you've got a reasonable amount of content there (that's why there's no meta tags, right? I never put mine in until its ready to be seen by the public). When people come and they don't see anything but "coming soon" they're not likely to return. It's fine to show it to us for a critique in the intial stages (actually, better to get it critiqued early to make it easy to change stuff).
Logos for webmaster sites are hard, I should know. It's really difficult to think of a graphic image that represents the subject, so you might want to just not bother and do something with interesting fonts instead. Or maybe just take that globe out of there and leave it like that. COuld make for a good, light look. Add some sort of tagline below the logo that somehow explains what the site is about (since that isn't obvious). Maybe fill the letters of Site-32 with a tangerine colour, or use that as a background for the header and nav areas. That would be a really interesting colour scheme.
Once you've got a logo you need to make the rest of your design coordinate with it. In this design, your logo doesn't really match the rest of the site. The pages also seem really empty - even if you imagined that there was content there.
Lots of work to do, but there is some potential IMO.
Megan
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mairving posted this at 15:03 — 26th June 2001.
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Well actually I am harder on someone that has a site for webmasters more than I would be on someone's personal site. Just because if it is made for someone like me, my expectations are higher. And I know it is only the beginning of the site but he did ask for a review.
Mark Irving
I have a mind like a steel trap; it is rusty and illegal in 47 states
Gyrbo posted this at 16:01 — 26th June 2001.
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I don't mind you guys being so rude, it's a good base of learning. The guys from freewebspace.net only said good stuff about it, so I didn't knew it was this bad. I'll be back on you.
Really nice folks you guys.
The Webmistress posted this at 16:14 — 26th June 2001.
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I don't think that any of us were intending to be rude and I hope you didn't take it that way, we speak as we find here and I generally think it does help people.
I hope you stick around and participate by offering critiques on others sites.
Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....
Gyrbo posted this at 16:18 — 26th June 2001.
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I took it as good critique. But I'm not so good in design. The coding is verry easy, but making up a good design...
Also, I'm not verry ceptical on other sites, most of the time, I just like sites.
mairving posted this at 17:06 — 26th June 2001.
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Gyrbo, the thing is you don't have to be a great web designer. Some people love the programming part and don't really give a hang for the design part. Others wouldn't know how to program their VCR. But if you have a website without any design to it, you are in trouble. So I would advise you to learn some basic design or work with someone who can't program but is a great designer.
Actually as far as the rude part, I look at it like this. If your purpose is to make fun of the other person and his work, you are being rude. If your purpose is to tell the truth to encourage someone to do better, then it is criticism. Also if you look at the word rude in the dictionary, here is what you get: being in a rough or unfinished state. So it looks like there are quite a few of us that have rather rude websites. LOL.
Mark Irving
I have a mind like a steel trap; it is rusty and illegal in 47 states
Megan posted this at 17:30 — 26th June 2001.
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Okay, okay. I just don't want the new posters to think we're not nice people
Glad that's not the case here (and I know I've posted many brutal crits in the past...)
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Gyrbo posted this at 17:33 — 26th June 2001.
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BTW anybody good at design but not a programming?
bksand posted this at 11:39 — 27th June 2001.
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I visited your website and have a couple of comments. As you are aware, I'm not an expert by any means, but I personally think you need to add some graphics to give it some spice. It seems to be bare. The pages load quickly, but thats not enough to keep interest. I liked your forum and tried to register, but it kept rejecting me.
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