Site Review Please

hiya krash....cute name

first of all....Get rid of the swipe effect on page enter. that is so annoying. Not too sure of the title of the site. kinda sounds like how I cook...hehehe. I burn stuff all the time. The site is about food so it needs to be more "homey" looking instead of the metalic look you have for the logo graphic in my opinion. At first glance it sorta looks like a gaming site.

That banner you have. Isn't that an add for computer stuff? Might be better to use banner that has to do with the subject of your site. I don't use banners so I am not real familiar with how those work.

I see that you are using several different fonts(times new, arial, and san-serif). Pick one and use it through out the site. I mostly use veranda. It is easy to read.

The purple you are using in the layout doesn't really go well with the food subject. Not sure what to suggest here. Maybe a more lively, festive color. The blue rollovers on the navigation are too dark.

You should have a paragraph or two telling what the site is about on the home page. I read that you are not finished with the site so maybe you are intending to fix some of the things I mentioned above.

Oh, and the graphics are cheesy....LOL but I see that you are aware of that. Maybe someone here can swap out services.
I have a great banana pudding recipe that I will add when you are finished if you will remind me.

Yeah I put transitions on every page, I like em though, but we'll see what others think.

You said the title sounds like you cook, thats kinda the way I meant it, not all of us are cooks. To tell you the truth, I never cook and I have zero interest in an endless collection of recipes, I just picked up a book on ColdFusion and read it. Then my girlfriend said something about there not being any good recipe sites on the web. And I thought that sucked. So I thought I would do this as my first CF project. It pretty much shows a lot of what you can do with CF. I also own Computerbomb.com and I will have that be a site for programmers.

You are right about the homey look, I'll try to improve on that. But I do like the clean easy to navigate layout I have now. And I know that logo I have up top sucks, lol, I wish someone could help me out on that.

Yeah that banner add is just there as like a place holder. Its a 480x600 banner I had laying around for PS Mod Chips. I just keep it there to hold the page's shape (I use all relative sizes and * for placement, my site should look the same at all resolutions). One day, hopefully, I will have some recipe related advertisements there.

I'm not sure why you think I'm using different fonts though. I use CSS to monitor all of that, I think sans-serif is my primary font, if that font is not available times will be used, and so on. You probably saw multiple font types in my CSS, but the extra fonts are only for backup. All of my body text, unless there are one or two places I forgot to implement my body text class, is a single font. All links should look the exact same, expect those in the navigation menu, they are of their own class.

But to me, content and usefulness come before prettiness. I don't know if you attempted to do anything on the site like search or add a recipe, but I've got some pretty complicated code in there. What does anyone think about its ease of use or anything like that?

Thanks for the review,

Krash_io

Hey after posting that last reply I looked at who was hitting up my site and I noticed that someone is trying to use Netscape. If that was you disaster-master then no wonder it looked like crap. As of right now if anything works in Netscape its by pure luck.

I am using IE 6.

Quote: So I thought I would do this as my first CF project. It pretty much shows a lot of what you can do with CF.

Didn't know that it was just a programming project. I thought you were serious about the recipe thing. Sorry!!

Well, I am serisous about the site. I'm just not a recpie fanatic. I do appericate feedback because I've spent alot of time buiding this site and all that time is wasted if no one likes my site or uses it. Like I said I also own computerbomb.com. I bought that site first and I wanted to make it the most comprehensive, easy to use, and well written programmers reference site on the web (good to have goals huh?) but I was trying to run before I could walk with ColdFusion. Recipebomb.com was just my walk thats all.

I'm using netscape 4.7 and it doesnt look to bad in it. a image doesnt display cause its a .bmp, only use .jpg or .gif (faster loading among others)

OK i'm looking at this site with 3 browsers, NS4.7, IE5 and Opera6, and i just noticed the "be sure to sign up" as a animation but must of missed it in the others.

The side links are really hard on the eyes on mouseover, blue on blue. in IE the links are black, in NS and opera the links are blue.

I have to ask, why sign up for a recipe site?

Ok i logged in but the page look actually the same? wouldnt i nornally of had to sign up to be signed in? if so why do i see the "be sure to sign in", once your signed in you should be taken to the members area.
ok now i'm lost, i went to members section but have to search for recipes, i cant just view them, maybe have a listing of last 10, top 5 or something.

Being a male that cant cook to save myself, I'd love to see a site that does quick and easy food, idiot style , something that wont cause the fire bridage to come put it out lol.

I wouldnt dismiss NS, its nearly the same as the others in appearance, its mainly the input widths that are different, but everything else works well (the auto direct after login doesnt forward you).

Welcome to TWF btw, could you help us out and review a few other sites, it helps sharing opinions to get different views, thanks

ok. I'll leave aesthetics for now as you seem more interested in feedback on the db.

Quite a project for your first time! I'm guessing that you may be new to CF but not to DB design?

I added a "mock recipe" and have a few suggestions.

"Ingredient Disposition" may not always apply - must it be manditory?

"Number of Ingredients" - best I can tell, this is set in stone. If a user realizes they've forgotten an ingredient, they effectively need to begin again. I'd recommend some flexibility on this somehow.

Does Step 1 create the record and Step 2 write to it? If so, I'd suggest that thw whole process be a temporary record that isn't actually created until the procedure is complete. Does this make sense? It is early here. (we really need a "sleepy smiley")

Other notes from a user standpoint:

It would be great to have some sort of Browse feature for those who have no idea what they want to make and therefore, no idea what to search for.

I can understand having to log in to add recipes but to simply access them? That'll cut down on your users.

Design-wise:

I really don't like the overall design. Looks more like a gaiming site or something.

For the record, I despise the page transition effects!

Everyone else has pretty much said it all,

Why Sign in to view recipes ?

I don't like the design for a food based site, It looks to cold.

I also HATE the transition effects (Do they affect page loading times ?. Maybe someone else has info on that?)

Mika

Of course, you could just switch to a browser that doesn't display them I don't see them here or in IE 6 so maybe you've taken them out or something??

I agree that the look overall is too cold for a recipe site. The only part that I find to be slightly appropriate is the "Welcome to RecipeBomb" text there. Purple or blue is definitely not a good colour for a food site. If you look into the meaning of colours you'll learn that blue isn't very appetizing. Orange is often associated with food (which is why it's often used by fast food joints!), blue is the opposite. Overall the design needs a major face lift but it sounds like you know that already. Don't center everything! It looks very unprofessional.

I'm looking at your application form here and there are several things that need to be either improved or removed. Why in the world would you want the user's phone number? Why do you care about the user's gender and date of birth? Actually, I'm wondering why you're asking for most of this stuff if it's just an online recipe archive. All you really need as far as I can tell, is a username and password, e-mail address and that's about it. Oh, and now I see this little bit about using their information to keep your services free. That would definitely scare me off. I agree that requiring registration for a recipe site is a little odd.

Your search form seems to be very comprehensive but that page is way too long. Use a table to put those forms into two columns rather than one.

Oh, and welcome to TWF!

hey krash_io - I agree the appearance of yer site could be "warmed up" a little - all I can offer, of course, is my refrigerated copyedit suggestions - they are microwavable

should that be Members' Area

on Terms and Conditions - SUBMINTANCE (twice)

on Add Recipe

period outside the quotes in "Save Number of Ingredients".

"You may now enter your recipe ingredients."

"Enter the information for the first ingredient in step 2;" - I'd probably use a comma instead

"You can refer to the ingredient number you are currently on just about the input form." - do you mean "above"?

"When you have completed steps 1 and 2, press the button labeled "Done"." - period outside the quotes

posted by Megan

Quote: Of course, you could just switch to a browser that doesn't display them

But I do already, I just preview sites in IE as thats what most people use.

I might even buy this browser & it's usaully very hard to get me to part with money

Mika

Wow, thanks to everyone for all of the replies.

A few things I should maybe clear up-

Ok, the transitions don't seem to go over very well. I don't know why though, I think they look great and I don't notice any slow down. Maybe they just don't look the same on others computers as they do on mine, not everyone has broadband. Someone said they don't see the transitions in IE6, you must have them turned off or not installed because I see them in IE6.

As far as Netscape goes, I've looked at my site in Netscape and it does look pretty much the same, except for the links and text becasue of the differences in IE CSS and NS CSS. The problem I found with NS is that none of the JavaScript works, especially the "add ingredients section". I could easily fix the CSS problems by loading a different CSS with NS, but I'm worried about making the JS work correctly.

And to who pointed out the spelling mistakes -- lol, thanks. I'm an absolute crappy speller. I have this shirt I bought from http://www.computergear.com that explains it well, it says:

I'm a proggrammer
I'm a prograammer
I write code.

(this first two lines are crossed out on the shirt)

But for the record I did plan on spell checking everything before release. But thanks for pointing them out, spell checkers sometimes do more harm then good.

And many people couldn't understand why you have to sign up before using the site and give somewhat personal information. Well, why sign up to use a chat? Why sign up to use a programmers site? Why sign up for anything? Most sites could work with out the user signing up. The point is, you most of these site require you to supply them with this information because they want statisitics, they use that info for markerting. Some of that information is turned over to origizanations for other staticis and much of it, believe it or not, I sold to third-party compaines for they're own use. How do you think telemarkertes get your phone number? They don't just randomly call. In fact that would be illegal, you have to sign up for somewhere at some company and in their user agreement, that no one reads, it says any info you give them could be sold.

When you sign up at my site, there will be a link that explains to the user that if they check the "Make my personal info invisible" box, then none of their information will ever leave my database. And, all of the info that is required is pretty mundane and required at most other places, such as gender and state. I think, in general, most people have no problem giving that info out on the web. Of course some people may think that I will use that info to stalk them. But I can't please everyone. Also, some of that info may be vital. Pretend someone submits a copyright recipe, I don't know it is, and then I display it all over the web, I could be held liable. You must think of the legal aspects too.

But I think that maybe I will allow users to view my site under a "Browse" section without logging in. They just won't be able to search, add, have a member page, and the few other perks.

No one seems to like the color, does someone have a better idea for the color? If you do please post a hex code. And yes, I know the graphics are bad, I know that, but I will need help on that part.

Someone said that I should make sure I do the record insert for the "Add a recipe" section all at once after all data is collected. I do, a user could stop half was through and nothing is ever saved.

Also, someone said that I should allow the user to change the number of ingredients in the recipe they are adding after they have entered a number. I think most people can count well enough that they will not have a problem with having to reenter a number. If they do then they will have to reset. The instructinons are simple I think it will be fine. In order for the user to change that number I would have to dynamically redemimension an already huge array, plus save any data they have already entered. It may not be all that hard, but I would defiently be slow and even more code on that page. That "add ingredients" page already sends over 1500 lines of code to the user.

And yeah, this was my first CF and DB design project. I did take a class on RDBMSes but I've never implemented a database to this degree. Minus the temp rec and temp ing table ( I store user added recipes there temporarly for a long reason) my database is in 3NF (3rd normal form), which means is a realtional as possible with as little dependicies and redundant data as possible.

THanks for all the input, sorry for the long reply. Forgive all the spelling errros here, I'm in a hurry.

Quote: Originally posted by krash_io
And many people couldn't understand why you have to sign up before using the site and give somewhat personal information. Well, why sign up to use a chat? Why sign up to use a programmers site? Why sign up for anything? Most sites could work with out the user signing up. The point is, you most of these site require you to supply them with this information because they want statisitics, they use that info for markerting. Some of that information is turned over to origizanations for other staticis and much of it, believe it or not, I sold to third-party compaines for they're own use. How do you think telemarkertes get your phone number? They don't just randomly call. In fact that would be illegal, you have to sign up for somewhere at some company and in their user agreement, that no one reads, it says any info you give them could be sold.

Yes, all of this is true and everyone hates it. We all hate spam in any form - virtual, phone or paper. That's why many people are so wary of giving out extra information when it's not necessary. I, and I'm sure many others, find it quite a pain to keep track of all the user names and passwords we use on the 'net. I certainly don't want to add more to that list unless there's a darned good reason for it.

Yes many people do hate the fact that my site, and millions of other sites on the web are like this. But lets face it, its necessary and it makes the world go round. My site is not free to host, its not free for me to keep that domain every year, the time I put into that site was not free, and the time I will invest to maintain it isn't free. I want people to sign up and keep their account because they feel the service is worth it. Look at my site right now, I guarantee you its better than 75% of every single other recipe site out there, and I only have 6 recipes! lol

I will make it even more clear to the user that if they do not check the "make my information invisible" box then there is a chance there information will be given or sold to a third party. Plus, none of the required information can ever be used for anything but my personal site statistics. Any other information that I could ever potentially use to target them for direct advertisement (such as email, phone, or mail), is totally optional, the user doesn't have to submit it. I think that’s perfectly clear to the user as of now.

Many people feel the way you do, and I understand why. No one wants to spend half on their time on the net logging in or be harassed by advertisement. I will agree to that. But if people were more willing to click on an ad, or take a survey every now and then, this type of action wouldn't be as necessary.

What I don't understand is why people are so against ads on the net. Ads on television made television what it is today. Millions of Americans sit night after night at their TV being bombarded by very directed and aggressive advertisement campaigns, and they don't care. Hell, most people watch the super bowl just for the commercials!! But ads on the Internet cause several thousand companies to close its doors and the Internet itself suffered greatly.

This is the only way I can find that will potentially pay the bills for my site. I think many users will see that. The other people are probably the same people that made hermits of themselves after 9-11 and caused a few more companies to go out of business. Not to sound rude or like I don't care, but these people don't need to use my site.

Krash_io

P.S.-- Please also keep in mind the legal aspects of what I am doing. Many smaller sites don't need to worry about this but I plan on, hopefully, drawing a lot of attention to my site. If someone sees a copyrighted recipe up there, I could be held liable. I'm a poor 19 year old college student who doesn't need to be sued because someone though I was trying to screw them. That’s just one thing I could be held liable for. The signup form will hopefully protect me from that.

Quote: What I don't understand is why people are so against ads on the net.

People are not against Ads on the net, people are against pop-ups that appear over and over again, if you were watching a movie on TV & another picture appeared over the top of the movie every few minutes causing you to physically push a button on your remote would you keep watching ?

Banner ads are fine, they advertise the product/service and then it is optional if you want more info.

On TV, you see an ad, it is optional if you call the telephone number, again if you are watching a movie & you keep receiving calls from people that try to sell you things you have no interest in you would find it annoying.

The majority of people realise that you have to advertise, it's more a question of how you do it.

I would never sign up for your site when I need to give that much personal information, after all I can probably get tsimilar information from other sites (better or worse) without having to give out any info at all.

Mika

taff,

I just wanted to tell you thanks for pointing out that I made the disposition required, and it should not be. I did not mean for it to be required, and my database does not require it.

You also added a very good point about no browse option and you have to log in to even see a recipe. I will add a "Browse" section that anyone can use.

I also looked at the mock recipe you entered. You may be wondering why you could enter 500 servings and why you didn't even need to change the description or directions and they all passed.

I thought long and hard about how to handle new recipes. I decided on building an admin interface that easily allows me to review the recipes and deny them or add them to the "real" recipes table (the new recipes are stored in a temporary table until I review them.)

I have a whole admin section already built, I wish I could show it off, but I can't. It allows me to edit my database directly, create, refresh, optimize, purge, and delete my search collections, and review the submitted recipes and edit, add, or reject them. Its some great code in there, I'm real proud of that.

Also, you asked how I insert the new recipe. There are two tables in my DB, one for all the recipe information and one for the ingredients. The ingredients are relationally linked to the recipe table by a primary key. I constructed it this way because it is in 3rd normal form and, I will soon add a feature to my site that will allow you to click a button to add the recipes ingredients to a shopping list. Think about it, you click a button and the recipe that you are on will send its ingredients to a shopping list. What if you add two recipes? And they both contain eggs. On recipe says raw eggs, the other says hard-boiled, you don't want the shopping list to say:
4 hard-boiled eggs
4 raw eggs
You want it to say
8 eggs
Because you only buy raw eggs from the store, not hard-boiled eggs. The way I have my DB setup, I will be able to make that work 95% correct.

But the ingredient and recipe tables are both filed at the same time on the very last page of the “add recipes” section. All the information the user enters is just carried on page by page until the 4th page where its entered into the DB. I copied and pasted my code below in case you were interested. The code below is just the actual insert. There a bunch of other DB action I take like creating a primary key, and checking to see if the user pressed "Refresh". I fixed that after I found out a user could just press "refresh" 100 times and enter the recipe every time.

And taff, I hope you don't cook for you family, you could be wanted for murder! Chicken, fish sauce, onions, and juice of lime? What the heck is that! lol

Thanks again,

Krash_io

my code
---------------------------------

INSERT INTO TEMP_ING
)
REC_ID,
ING_NAME,
ING_DISPOSITION,
ING_AMOUNT,
UNIT_TYPE
VALUES
(
'#FORM.invTempRecID#',
'#VARIABLES.JSData[aRowNumber][1]#',
'#VARIABLES.JSData[aRowNumber][2]#',
'#VARIABLES.JSData[aRowNumber][3]#',
'#VARIABLES.JSData[aRowNumber][4]#'
)

INSERT INTO TEMP_REC
(
REC_ID,
REC_TITLE,
REC_DIRECTIONS,
REC_DESCRIPTION,
REC_SERVINGS,
REC_COOK_TIME,
REC_PREP_TIME,
CAT_TYPE,
USER_LOGIN_NAME
)
VALUES
(
'#FORM.invTempRecID#',
'#FORM.txtRecTitle#',
'#FORM.txaRecDirections#',
'#FORM.txaRecDescription#',
#FORM.txtRecServings#,
#FORM.txtRecCookTime#,
#FORM.txtRecPrepTime#, '#FORM.invCatType#',
'#FORM.txtRecSubmittedBy#'

yabber,

I have no popup ads. They are annoying. I say people are against ads on the net because most people never look at them. They are not "forced" to see them like on TV.
And because most people simply ignore these ads they never work. Thus, webmasters like me can't support our site that way.

No one will pay you to let their company advertise on your site unless you are Ebay or Amazon. Up until the past year or two 16-year-old kids were making thousands of dollars off their web site because they got a lot of hits and companies would pay them to advertise on that site. Then companies stopped paying to advertise on other sites because the found out it didn't work.

That why the sign up form is vital to my site and millions of others like it.

And what are you talking about you would never use my site because there is so much personal info requested???!!

There are 16 total fields on my site.

1 is filled automatically, it’s the date.
2 are for the users new password.
5 are optional
only 10 are required, and all I ask is for a name and email, a user name, pass, and the state you live in.

If your so paranoid that you would never give my site that measly data then you're really going to freak when I tell you that by viewing my site, I got your IP address, the general area of where you connect to the internet at, your browser type, version, and preferences, and your operating system information.

Your tracked more on the net than you'll ever know.....

The Matrix has you yabber -- Quit being so paranoid.

hey krash_io - try taking the comments (e.g., ) out of your style section - I don't think N6 like 'em

fwiw, I would not want to participate in your site either if I were required to submit personal info - I even get prompted for cookies and deny them all unless it's for a site I trust - I think that keeps me from being tracked - I don't think I'm paranoid - I do find commercialism repugnant - when I stoop to watching commercial TV, I keep the remote volume control handy for the "breaks"

I don't think you're going to be sued for publishing copyrighted recipies if they're submitted - I believe the plaintiff would be required to prove economic damage and I think that would be difficult to accomplish

I'd make the submit a recipe a sign in only with the rest of the site freely browsable, heaps of free recipie sites out there, we've had a couple through here in the last few months.

you mention tv ads, in NZ our tv ads are actually louder than the tv programme, everyone I know either mutes the tv or changes channel when the ads come on, and when a ad is repeated over and over and over and over people soon begin to hate it and it proabaly damages the companies profile.

banners ads dont work, its been proven, pop ups, pop unders, really dont work, everyone hates them, even opera has a built in pop up killer, and the pop up killer programs are downloaded all the time. and sites like (forget the name), the one with the camera popup, i want a digital camera but I'd never even look at their site as I hate their in your face tactics.

I think you have to forget about making money from this, if it happens then cool, if it doesnt then no worries, if you expect to get rich from this then id say quit now, it wont happen. if you were famous, as seen on tv kinda thing then you could make from it, but sadly the chances of the average joe is now very very slim.

If you go about the selling stuff the wrong way your site/company can be placed on the web blacklist, who ever runs those sites crawl the net looking for people who cheat the system and reading the feedback on the sites it does destory companies, so be careful.

I'm not going to sign up, but I'll send you a banana cake recipe by PM later.

when you ask for state you live in, i hope thats optional or at least is cancelled if another country is added, not every country has states. also do you cater for C and F in cooking temps?, also microwave settings, you use 100volts, we use 240volts so i'm sure the amps would differ. also size of eggs, things like sponge cakes realy need exact measurements.

anyone can get ip addy etc, its from standard SSI key words, even JS does it, its more the email addy no one likes giving away, i use a hotmail one for stuff like this and never look at it, always keep it full so everything bounces back

posted by Busy

Quote: banners ads dont work

Banner ads don't work as well as they used to, or as well as alot of people think they will
But I believe that a nicely designed banner placed on a site of similar content will attract visitors to your site.

krash_io;
have you considered the idea of making it a subscription based site ? when you have enough users & recipe's you could then have a free recipe section and a subscription based section. I believe people would rather pay a few dollars per year to subscribe to something they will use than have their information sold to mailing lists etc.

Mika

hey - no one rants on about the evils of aggressive corporate advertising than mme - esp. since here in the States, it's all tax-deductible (and therefore heavily taxpayer-subsidized) - unfortunately, I think you can pretty well count on it being effective - those boys woudn't spend their two-thirds if they weren't gettin' a good return on it

I've produced a humble recipe site (Cooking My Way) - it's even got a db tied into the "Index" - if I submitted it here for review, I'm sure it would be duly chopped and shredded :eek: , so I won't hold it up as anything to learn from - but you're free to copy the clipart (some of which I've clumsily edited - I'm no artist either) - also take any recipes you might like - they're only © The Creator and his lawyers are real busy most 'a the time

Make the navigation links a different color like white so they stand out. Also I suggest you get rid of the margins.

Gavin

Someone said that my HTML code documentation in my imported CSS file was messing up Netscape users. Is that right? Netscape doesn't even support HTML stlye documentation? I'll try taking it out and seeing what happens.

Also, to who ever said I will never get rich off this site- I never said I was going to be the next Bill Gates because of RecipeBOMB.com. But I think that it will be very possible for me to make $500 of the site in a year, because thats about what it cost my to maintain it.

Someone sugggested white links, I might try that. I will defiantly try changing the color scheme a little bit. Does anyone have any good ideas for new colors? Link the nav links, the body links and the overall site color? If so please send me a hex code for the colors.

Also someone said they never take cookies? Why not? Why are people so against cookies? I mean they just make your Internet experience better, thats all. They just keep track of your shopping list at a site or your loging name or the date and time you visitied, I mean what the hell are you so afraid of people tracking?

Thanks for the suggestions everyone,

Krash_io

>>Why are people so against cookies? I mean they just make your Internet experience better, that’s all. They just keep track of your shopping list at a site or your loging name or the date and time you visitied, I mean what the hell are you so afraid of people tracking?<<

In one word: Jealousy

Some people just don't like other people making money when they aren't. You know the saying misery loves company. You can always gauge your success by how many people are envious of you.

Believe in your self. You can do it.

Ignore them and go for gold.

- Gavin

I don't accept cookies cuz I figure it helps keep down the level of spam I receive - I'm happy to see people make $$ - I hope for the sake of their eternal souls they use it wisely

Quote: You can always gauge your success by how many people are envious of you.

I'd say that depends on yer goals

>>I don't accept cookies cuz I figure it helps keep down the level of spam I receive<<

Cookies don't capture email addresses.

- Gavin

however, if you do give your address to someone, even someone else, isn't it possible for the "cookier" to use that for your "marketing benefit" as in this case

I don't know what a "cookier" is or does but there are many ways of capturing email addresses. Like:

Stripping them from web sites, forums, guest books etc.

Also you can buy email addresses. Some companies will actually sell your email address to other companies, which then resell them!

My advice. It isn't worth sending unsolicited email.

I know of a Bahamas related newsletter, which had over 2,000 subscribers we did an ad swap in it. Our newsletter has over 875 subscribers (much less). Whenever we send it out we get an extra 200 visitors to our web site directly from our newsletter. When the newsletter we swapped ads with sent theirs out we only got 1 or 2. You see the method by which they built their email list was by harvesting (stripping them from Bahamas related web sites. Our list was built through our web site using opt-in (subscribers wanted to receive our newsletter and we always get great feedback from them). On our web site we also state that it is a private mailing list and will never be sold or given away for any reason. For those of you who may be interested in checking out our newsletter: http://www.knowlesrealty.com/mlistbi.asp

So you see our mailing list even though small produces better results.

- Gavin

This has gone way of track - intersting thou, but we're here to help krash_io by reviewing his site http://208.217.222.33/

Quote: Someone sugggested white links, I might try that. I will defiantly try changing the color scheme a little bit. Does anyone have any good ideas for new colors? Link the nav links, the body links and the overall site color? If so please send me a hex code for the colors.

How about a more softer blue or a mustard color, something that goes well with other colors, I think this is probably one of the hardest parts, choosing a color scheme

how bout light brown with mandarin high lights (light orange)

sorry, Busy