Review Request: Al Gore Support Center

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Welcome to TWF LIBERAL2003, could you help us out and review a few sites as per the posting agreement, thanks

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too dark, blue buttons are too close to background color impossible to see, all caps page title???, a google search window? everyone knows googles address. pick a poll style and stick with it. US flag should be larger looks trivialized. -Josh

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Too dark? What is wrong with blue and red? If you cant see the blue buttons when they have white text and are beweveled something is wrong.
Google? If someone wants a quick search for news or info from here that is an asset.
Why have 2 of the same poll design. They are not even based the same.
Why do you say the American flag looks unimportant?

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1) He didn't say anything was wrong with the colors blue and red. He simply said they were too dark. Take a hint, and lighten up. (pun intended)

2) If someone wants to do a google search, google.com will load much faster than your site. It's a simple game of bytes.

3) It's just considered good practice to keep things uniform. All of your nav buttons are uniform, but they all link to different pages. Same deal with the polls. Different questions, but should both have the same Look 'n Feel.

4) He didn't say the flag looks unimportant. He said it looks trivialized. Or in Layman's Terms, "to make of little worth or importance." Being as small as it is, it's almost like your hiding it.

Mark Hensler
If there is no answer on Google, then there is no question.

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Apart from what's already been said, there is a horizontal scrollbar at 800*600 and I find the text hard to read due to the font used, a clean font like veranda would make the site much easier to read. Not a bad looking site though.

Now can you help out some of the others asking for critiques by reviewing their sites please.

Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....

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Sans Serif fonts work better for text on the web.

Serif fonts are better used for text print due to the higher resolution of printed matter. On the web 72 ppi just doesn't cut it when displaying the tiny serifs, especially when the font is sized smaller than normal.

I agree the blue buttons are difficult to make out. Not a big deal but why settle?

I cant even read the taglines on gore_support.jpg, you probably have better eyesight than me. It's the font and the italics that make it difficult.

I'd probably crop the pictures on the right so they all match widths. That would make the page look more organized. It's the grid you know...

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http://www.alogical.com

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Umm... you ask for a review... then YOU criticize people who you asked to critique YOUR website. Classy.
Not to continue to be harsh, but your site really takes forever to load, and it seems all the links on the side except for a few are links to other websites... is only the front page yours? I dunno... it's strange. On the plus side, you have pictures of al gore. They made me laugh. You're the greatest!

I just want to say that you should probably try to cut down on loading time...

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Maybe you did not look. There are 4 other pages to my page: chat, forum, myths,and bio and info. Apparently you are blind!
Also about loading time, I cant help if you have a slow computer because I checked my site stats and about90% of visitors load within 10 seconds.

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Where are the drop down menu things on the first page supposed to take you? I have clicked on all of them and nothing happens???

It's hard to see what's part of your site and not as the links all seem to be going elsewhere and then opening up in a new browser window. Also being on free space as opposed to paid with a domain it is hard to tell which are your links and which aren't.

The site is also quite slow at times which is probably down to the hosting company and not individuals computers. I tried going back to the site again just then and it now brings up a blank page!

The whole point of posting your site for critique is to get peoples opinions and learn from what they say, not to counter them with disbelief at their comments. Please bear this in mind.

Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....

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First thoughts upon entering the site are generally 'yuck, serif fonts!' They really aren't clear enough to use for web sites, especially not for a whole site. The writing inside the main banner, i can't read even when i look closely and i have to squint to read the button text and photo captions too! Get some CSS styling on there and at least a nice sans serif font on there, possibly Verdana size 2 or maybe 11px will work?

The navigation buttons, although i can see the blue buttons, they aren't *that* clear. YOu need to remember that people have a different monitors with different colour settings and choosing a colour so close to the background colour is asking for trouble.

As has been said above, it looks as though none of the actual site content is your own, i'd stipulate that on the site if i was you. Maybe you could also work on adding your own content too to keep everybody on your own web site.

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http://www.algoresupportcenter.com/

Thanks for any suggestions and advice.

Also I have a general computer question:

My mointer on the left and right sides, have like a a bewelveled line through the page. It appears on images and buttons. What could make my mointer show this bewelveled line on both sides? Thanks.

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site is a bit too slow on loading

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It is very slow loading and I'm still not keen on the darkness of the site. Everything looks kind of disjointed, especially the navigation, plus the centered text makes it harder to read and unprofessional looking. I also get a horizontal scrollbar at 800*600

Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....

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I think it's a mistake to generalize and say that all serif fonts look bad on the web. Simply not true. For TNR, maybe, but that's not the only serif font in the world.

However, there is a problem on this site with mixing different fonts. Chose one font for text and use it consistently throughout. I'm seeing body text in a sans serif and sidebar items in serif. (One common technique is to use one type for headings and the other for body, but not mixing together).

Also be careful about centering paragraphs of text - it makes things harder to read since the eye has to jump back and forth to find the next line. Generally work on text formatting - everything is in one big hunk of text which makes it very, very difficult to read. Look for articles on writing for the web - there are a lot of techniques that can be used to make things more readible. Learn how to use HTML to structure text elements. Font size could be a little bigger as well.

Otherwise my first impression of this site was quite good. You've got a nice coherent colour scheme going and a really good header that sets the tone for the site (Al should be facing towards the center of the page rather than off the edge though).

I would like to see a little less clutter in the sidebar area. Some of those things are just distracting. I also thnk that the navbar and page headers could be more in keeping with the style of the header graphic. The darkness doesn't bother me here - not every site needs a white background.

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Guys, on my site stats it says the site loads quick more than slow. It may just be on some computers. I run XP and it does fine. Also you were right about the side bars, I added some new icons on the right side, see how it looks.

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took me 57secs to load on dialup but you have 259kb of stuff on your index (banner alone is 49.3 kb (maybe make it a jpg or png), plus your using frames. not sure what your using the java applets for but they aren't displaying for me, and I tryed 3 browsers.

small bold white text is hard to read on black background, maybe use grey text, or better yet go white background with black text
you have to remember when you load the page it will always be instant as the contents are already cached, where as other peoples aren't.

you also need a home page link on pages

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Hello, I went back and edited every page. I found out what was making the page load so slowly. Somehow most of my graphics had duplicated or even tripled themselves and were stacked on top of each other. This included buttons, borders, and the banners! I knew that some had dupes, but not that much. It should run much better. I also optimized the banner from 50bytes to 29bytes. Then I also took your advice and left aligned my text. If you have more suggestions let me have them, we are getting more and more hits every week. Also if you are a Gore supporter, please join us in Restoring Gore in 2004!

http://www.algoresupportcenter.com/

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I just went to: http://www.anybrowser.com/siteviewer.html
and it shows my site messed up big time. It says java may not be enabled on this browser and the page will not load right. Should I worry about this.

Thanks

http://www.algoresupportcenter.com/

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Its better now, loading is O.K

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Did i speack too soon ?

Index page is O.k

http://www.algoresupportcenter.com/goretruth.html
is slow

Ahmed shareek

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That page contains a huge amount of info and has anchor links. I cannot make it load any faster. It is one of those pages that has alot of text to load, and takes a few more secs than most.
It took me 45sec to load on Opera 7.11, what did it take you?

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the goretruth page took 1 min and has 340kb to load, the contents aren't readable until 280 of it's loaded (about 45 secs)

you can remove a lot of stuff in your code from that page, all your page anchors appear to be in set div's
here is one line, for example that you could trim (isn't the anchor part I just mentioned)

    Myths     Internet InventionBuddhist TempleLove Story Love Canal"Alpha Man"Earth TonesBoots and SuitsIraq and Fox NewsFarm BoyFlorida SchoolCase in PointGore & Bin LadenGore & SS TaxesGore & Environment

you don't need all those div tags, font tags, bold tags etc
use either table or div (don't need both) and do link br link br link br ... and set the link colour, weight, style ... in your css style tag.

why you have things like: when you have .Verdana10 { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; } in your style sheet is beyond me, not that you should have a class call in a font tag to start with.
when you declare a font family you should have at minimum the font you want and the family it's from, in this case font-family: verdana, sans-serif;

add a DOC tag to your pages and run them through the validator at w3c.org and you'll find heaps of things you can tidy up which will in turn speed it up.

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The site downloads OK, but there are white horizontal streaks across the top of the page, as well as other sections. The very dark blue and very dark red should be lightened up just a little, I think.

Roy
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I am not a professional web designer or even a good one so take the following as comments coming from a casual visitor. First impression kind of feedback:

Likes:
- Dark blue background
- Top header (AL GORE SUPPORT CENTER)
- Organization of the site

Dislikes:
- Inconsistent font. "Gore Info" page uses a sans serif font in the main body of the document while "Gore Myths" uses a serif font for example.
- Too many boxed rectangles. The top header (AL GORE SUPPORT CENTER) may probably look better without its white frame. Same for the navigation buttons.
- Not crazy about the navigation buttons or more precisely I think that the fading blue background is not all that great. And for some buttons this blue fading background is in the middle of the button while for others it's at the top (Contact Gore for example).
- default font size is very small making it difficult to read. I imagine that this could be a hurdle for elderly people who may not be able to read the contents of the site at all. Something you may want to investigate.

I can imagine that a lot of work went into this site. Don't take the above as anything but an encouragement to make your creation even better.

-Mike

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Please understand I'm an "amateur"..........so I can't give anything close to "expert" opinion.

I liked the site (And I like Gore Smiling )......

The colors are generally good but the font is sometimes difficult to read. Are you using the same font throughout? When there is an extensive article, such as under "Gore Myths"........there's no chance that I would try to wade through it, it's just hard to read. I would suggest a clean Ariel font, maybe a little larger, or less intense background color. Another way might be to have a link on the page for printing out a clean copy, so the visitor can read it at their leisure. Basically white on red is great for eye catching appeal.........but it seems if there is more than a line or 2, it's yelling at you.

Thanks.........

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But I have a problem. This is what it says about the fonts:

SiteBuilder offers a variety of font types that you can use on your site just by adding a Text Element to your page. The following fonts are available:

Times New Roman
Helvetica
Courier
Arial Black
Arial Narrow
Bookman
Comic Sans
Garamond
Haettenschweil
Impact
Tahoma
Verdana
= viewable within SiteBuilder
= preview in web browser to view font type

If you do not find the font you need in SiteBuilder, there are a couple of ways you can incorporate different fonts into your Web pages:

You can take screen shots of the text that you wish to put in your site, convert the images into .jpg or .gif format, and import them into your Web site.

This process requires access to graphics software such as Adobe Photoshop, PaintShop Pro, or an image editor/converter.

Which of the above fonts would look good? Also how could I do what is at the bottom with the long text as in the Myths Page?

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If you are talking about a font for the general main text then I always use verdana as it's clean and easy to read plus looks professional.

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Hello Again...........

As far as the font goes I think any of the following are good: ariel, ariel black (where you neded extra emphasis) ariel narrow.

The problem with the myths page.........both length & readability is, to me, a serious one. Why not split the page into more than one? You have at least a dozen topics on it. Why not consider using the (1st) page as a summary.........listing the various topics with a one line summary and a link to a separate page(s) someone wants to read the details on specific articles. You could include links to all myth articles on eac myth page to keep everything together.

If as I think you said, the article is simply an image (and you can't change the font) maybe you can adjust the colors a little to make it easier to read?

Also............I have found that Paint Shop Pro is not the easiest to learn (especially for me!) but it's the best tool I've ever used for any kind of graphic. With it, you can do just about anything.

Thanks..

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I dont think the colours are too dark, but i do think the text could do with being a little larger.

The links on the left are good. i think they match the site well.

I like your banner at the top.

You should make the links on the right same as the links on the left, it would look better that way.

The site loads up quick enough for me. took like 10-11 seconds for it to load fully.

Overall i think its a pretty good site.

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We now have a new look and some new features:

http://www.algoresupportcenter.com/

Also give suggestions on what we could add that other camapaign sites have.

Thanks

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This really looks the same to me, except for the header, which isn't as striking as the old one was. The text is still really difficult to read. It needs to be more readable - keep the font size close to the default and use HTML's formatting elements (paragraphs, headings, lists etc.) to break things up.

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How can you say that the old header was better than this one? I think you are the only one that thinks that. I also added new features, but apparently you didnt see it.

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Could you put up the old header for comparison? Maybe I"m forgetting what it looked like. I'm sorry I didn't have a lot of time to thoroughly review your site again. With all the sites I review here it's often difficult to recall exactly what one of them was like on first review Smiling

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First impression is that this looks really good - very professional looking. It does look like there's a little too much text on here. I would remove that big long quote in the header area and either replace it with something shorter or expand the graphic. I still say that the first header graphic you had was the best!

Are you not done with this yet? There are things on here that look like links but aren't working! Hover effects and mouseovers on the graphic nav would be a helpful addition.

Text on some of these pages is waaaaayyyy too small. Not comfortable for reading at all. I was reading a newspaper article the other day that talked about how most of the people interested in politics and news are middle aged or older. Remember that these people don't have the greatest eyesight.

That small toolbar along the top with the auction links is a bit of a problem I think. It's not all that noticeable up there... OH, and don't link to external sites from your navbars. It's really confusing, because from a site's navigation bar I expect to stay within the site. External links should be placed differently.

Overall a good job!

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