Review Pls... Demonhale

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Ok i was working on a new front page for my site as you can see the old one is cool, but now i want to be formal... I will maintain on storage all my previous welcome/front page to serve as my examples/portfolio... I will post links on sites I will be working on, since im new to this...

Also dont bother validating the site url, its not going to coz my web host is adding some scripts and codes to the original html file which doesnt validate, I will be transferring to a new domain soon and that one will most likely validate...

Heres the link:
http://demonhale.tripod.com/template.html

Thanks

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BTW 90% of the links there already works...

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It... looks like a tripod site. Smiling

Try minimizing some things. Choose fewer colours. Right now you have every colour going on but purple. As an experiment I dare you to try a two-colour site, it's a good exercise! Your fonts change too often... the sizes, weights, and treatments are jumping all over the place. Stick with one style for text, one for headings, and then one for logos in your art. Or at least try it. Smiling

The entire front page is TOO LONG. If you have four pages of content, no one is going to read it all! Don't be afraid to split it up into smaller pages. So long as there is clear and easy navigation the viewer will be thankful. also contributing to the length of the page is the huge logo you have. And much of it is empty space. I don't like the logo, to be frank, though the colours have definite potential. If you stick to that palette for the entire page and a more compact logo, I think things will turn out well.

And that's all I have time for right now... Shocked

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its best viewed in a higher resolutions...
and btw yes my host is tripod, it says so as you can see in my url...

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Where to start...

The background is displeasing to the eye for a start. With regards to the actual layout of the site, there is no real structure or form, it's just a header (not centered) with text beneath it, you need to structure the site and decide on a clear theme and colours before you design.

If you're offering your services as a web designer/developer you must have a professional site otherwise no one will hire you.

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Thanks for the comments guys/gals, here are my views, the site is centered in resolutions higher than 800x600; (which most of my local clients are using to view my portfolios); Ive been commented before when I set the page for 800x600 users that the page is hard for them(higher resolutions users) to read... Well I still have my old front page to revert on to which has attracted quite a few future clients albeit they commented its a bit unprofessional, so I decided to make one taking into consideration what most of them wanted, but I want views from you guys here first... Please I need more Comments....

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Oh and BTW the header is intended not to be centered... (I can do that too if many dislike unconventional a lot Wink )

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I agree with talkfreelance, the site seems to disorganised it needs to be more structured and i know that your trying to push your site into the future with an unconventional layout but that background is like a step back into the 90s, there is too much goin on, i think you need to calm it down town down the colors get rid of some animations and try and bring the site together with one color scheme.

so to sum-up what ive been saying here is a list of my suggestions

make the header the same size as the content box.
less colors and one color scheme.
highlighting your page with bold colors is good but make sure they dont clash.
and try and make content boxes and nav bars align with oneanother.

al in all i think your site has great potential and it should go far but getting off tripod couldn't hurt.

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Thanks Vibs, Im planning to get way from tripod; (or paying a hosted and domained version); Im in the process of doing that, but first I was marketing locally so I could have the funds to launch it mainstream... Ive been building an 800x600 version which I would post here soon too, to see which looks better... I personally noticed that the site seems to big when viewed in this resolution. Ive been pushing that header aligning left coz im reserving the space on the right for an advertisment...

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I was thinking oof the same thing about the 90's comment; overuse of backgrounds and moving GIF's; I was kinda Having a daydream of reviving them and make them mainstream... (Oh and also, my client base in these areas are 10 years back in tech so thats why they like putting BG and GIFS for their site) Which I want to show them that Im capable of doing that for them...

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I know my site is far from perfect, but it's an example of how to split up content and maintain easy navigation. You can still have fairly large-ish pictures, but they're not in the way of the text. I went monochrome (purple, can you tell? Laughing out loud) but one can also work with up to three colours. If you want a body background, choose a small repetitive pattern, or a large gradient to make sure it's not the focus of attention.

Keep the content if you wish, but maybe work with fresh eyes and fresh code to get a better result.

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Ok So Ive got a solution here, Since local clients like to see this version of my front page I'll keep it in a seperate url thats only for them, I've made two to three color(adjusted only by saturation) pages, and boxed in, so Ill make one again for the mainstream market... I guess the issue here with mine is that as I said locales here kinda like the sorts of design I put-up before (not the really old one, its mush) but it seems that most top dollar clients like a different approach...
So:
1. I'll make another one soon, at least I'll have an addition to my portfolio...
2. Post it here soon...

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Well, the site definately shows creativity and talent. Howevever, I would try to lay it out a little bit neater. To me it seems a bit too unconventional. Smiling

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thanks Robert...

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I like the top lcd thingy on the site and the background. If every page on the net looked the same it would be a boring internet if you asked me.
Variety is the spice of life!!

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wwwben wrote: I like the top lcd thingy on the site and the background. If every page on the net looked the same it would be a boring internet if you asked me.
Variety is the spice of life!!

Thanks Ben... Well I tried another Scheme

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One major thing i would say is that on.

http://demonhale.tripod.com/template.html

you have images for W3C Compliances yet none of them are valid. W3C validators pull up a lot of problems with your page. I really wouldnt put those icons on your site unless your site truly is validated.

Just a thought.

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Neutron2k wrote: One major thing i would say is that on.

http://demonhale.tripod.com/template.html

you have images for W3C Compliances yet none of them are valid. W3C validators pull up a lot of problems with your page. I really wouldnt put those icons on your site unless your site truly is validated.

Just a thought.

If you read my original post I said quit checking down my validations, Ill tell you why.... First, my host TRIPOD which is free, (thats why im planning to get off from there) inserts there own AD code on the body of my html thats why it will never validate, especially that they're putting in some dynamic links for their ADS.... If you like i'll send you the RAW CODE and youll for see yourself if it doesnt validate

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demonhale wrote: If you read my original post I said quit checking down my validations, Ill tell you why....

If you dont wnt people to check your validations, dont put the w3c images on the page lol. By doing that your inviting people to validate your code. On that subject not all of the invalid code is thrown in by the ads. Some of it is yours to.

I apologise for making a comment on your validations and trying to offer advice to help u, but i never read the entire thread before posting a message. I normaly read the last few messages in a thread as the topic can change repeatedly through a post. People dont always have time to read 3 pages of posts before writing a reply.

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Sorry for my Persistence but since youve helped giving me ideas on this one, heres a new version of almost the same page...

Please Review...

http://demonhale.tripod.com/template2.html

Thanks

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demonhale wrote: Sorry for my Persistence but since youve helped giving me ideas on this one, heres a new version of almost the same page...

Please Review...

http://demonhale.tripod.com/template2.html

Thanks

In many degrees it is better with the switch to the simpler and less-distracting background. It is a excellent start. For one, it's much easier to read! You have selected black text on white with orange/red/brown highlights, and it works well. I would reccomend switching the blue text to a less obtrusive/important grey and possibly reducing the font size. The menu and newsbar are too strong with black backgrounds, though.It would be nice if you could emulate the background image(s) and the greys and whites while using your colour palette for some hover highlights. The red is too bright. Wink

I think your next step should be to pare down the content. It doesn't mean discarding content if you would like to keep it (though, I would suggest it to some degree), but you should definitely section off what is REALLY important on your main page. I think anything from the IFRAME down should be on at least two pages - IFRAME displayed with other tricks on a capabilities page, and a page about services (history, how we work, etc.). The "demonhale™ is a Web and Graphics Design Company under the alternate name of CHRYMO™." section is a... somewhat functional mission statement and should not be hidden below all that neccessary definition text. If you wish to have the definitions, then consider putting it as a quirk in a side column or at the bottom?

You should really plan out your pages in smaller sections. This is an example of some of the planning for fomsc.ca. I'm not saying "my way or the highway", but it is one way to make a webpage oraganizationally attractive to its viewers.

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Your new site is better structured but now its lost all the fun its not showing off your graphics skills its very plain and i think you can do alot better with the graphics just dont go over the top.

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vibins wrote: Your new site is better structured but now its lost all the fun its not showing off your graphics skills its very plain and i think you can do alot better with the graphics just dont go over the top.

Thanks Again Vibs, Now Im getting a bit confused, Try more things soon based on suggestions.

Next I thank the people who have helped so far on my usability and graphic issues.

For those having Questions with my code.... I assure you theres nothing Invalid with my raw code, ive uploaded my raw file in w3c validator and it completely validates....
The only problems that I did was I hacked some codes for tripod...
  before body then the dynamic links on my href's... Its not a matter of bragging rights I put those icons there... I advocate standardization thats why Im exposing these validations to visitors... Im not misleading them coz I can show them that the code validates....

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I'm sorry but I really don't like it
The code is poor and it doesn't validate, in spite of the fact that you display, rather largely, that it is "Best Viewed in W3C Compliant Web Browsers"

The page is ridiculously long and there's no content on the vast majority of it. The images that flank the content are incredibly distracting. It's like looking at the bad old days of the late 90s. Take out the height attributes from your CSS

I would recommend that you pare it down substantially. Content is what a web page should be about, and the design should comlement that. Everything on your page is very distracting, the eye doesn't know where to settle, and to be frank it is a touch painful to look at. K.I.S.S - a cliche, but incredibly true, and always will be.

Get rid of the images that flank the content - they are way too big and in my hmble opinion, really ugly.

Orange on a blue background is not a good combo - the eyes can focus on it very well.

You need to get rid of the deprecated HTML elements (font and center tags) - check out some of the CSS menu tutorials http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/ is a good place to start - it would make the code much cleaner, and yu could go on from there. You definately have potential, and a little studying would go a long way.

This is a great book for when you're starting out. It gives you a decent grasp of the basics of design. I think you'd get a lot out of it.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1566091594/002-9556077-9987202?v=glance

If you want to taken seriously professionally, you have to move away from free hosting, you can get pretty cheap hosting these days, worth it in the long run.

I hope you take this critisism in the spirit in which it is intended.

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chris_bcn wrote: I'm sorry but I really don't like it
The code is poor and it doesn't validate, in spite of the fact that you display, rather largely, that it is "Best Viewed in W3C Compliant Web Browsers"

The page is ridiculously long and there's no content on the vast majority of it. The images that flank the content are incredibly distracting. It's like looking at the bad old days of the late 90s. Take out the height attributes from your CSS

I would recommend that you pare it down substantially. Content is what a web page should be about, and the design should comlement that. Everything on your page is very distracting, the eye doesn't know where to settle, and to be frank it is a touch painful to look at. K.I.S.S - a cliche, but incredibly true, and always will be.

Get rid of the images that flank the content - they are way too big and in my hmble opinion, really ugly.

Orange on a blue background is not a good combo - the eyes can focus on it very well.

You need to get rid of the deprecated HTML elements (font and center tags) - check out some of the CSS menu tutorials http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/ is a good place to start - it would make the code much cleaner, and yu could go on from there. You definately have potential, and a little studying would go a long way.

This is a great book for when you're starting out. It gives you a decent grasp of the basics of design. I think you'd get a lot out of it.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1566091594/002-9556077-9987202?v=glance

If you want to taken seriously professionally, you have to move away from free hosting, you can get pretty cheap hosting these days, worth it in the long run.

I hope you take this critisism in the spirit in which it is intended.

Youre reviewing my old FRONt/Home Page.... Ive specifically written down the URL which is http://demonhale.tripod.com/template.html

Now, People before you comment PLEASE read the whole thread first...

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The site layout seems limited to your specific type of graphics. If your client base is limited to the arts and graphics crowd then it fits the bill but it wouldn't be approperiate for the financial markets or more conservative prospects.

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I apologise -I didn't read the whole thread.

My comments however are basically the same for the new site.

While tripod does throw a lot of non valid code in there, some of it is still yours.

The colours are poorly chosen - red on black background is bad for the eyes.

The background image is very geocities circa 1997 - animated gifs have no place in a modern website.

The background image detracts from the content ... basically see my original comments for the old site.

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I really appreciate comments coz its a way to improve... So here goes...
Ok The Only thing that does not validate if I outline it here is the   codes....
The purpose of which is to push down Tripods pesky top ADS to the bottom of the page; a hack of some sort... That is also why theirs a huge blank space after the site layout itself...
Next, i understand depreciated values of tags... Ive read W3C rules as well as researched a lot.... I get, I said the 90's comments, but then again it seems that my audience here is 10 years back in tech as I said and they still like moving gifs coz they think its cool and they wonder about that..., Im sad that id doesnt work for you...

Oh Yeah and I guess my COlor combinations are not based on a minimum three color rule... And My design doesnt follow conventional setup... But Im keeping it for my local audience, Ill soon post a new URL for a rather toned down and more professional looking site...

Thanks...

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I like the simplicity. Its good but the header there is not centered. I would like to say that you center the header and use other color combination rather then red and black.

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Well actually I am planning to split the texts down to fit the page in regular window-size view, I just kinda been lazy splitting up and relinking the pages...
I really appreciate your comments laura, Thanks...
Once I get the look fine, I'll go down to pages...

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Good stuff! Keep us posted. Smiling

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Anyone Else.... Pls...

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This new look is good also .. but your logo in red at the top..the edges are very unclean, or is it meant to be this way?

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