review this please

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Hi all,

This site I will make its design and layout for a tourism company, but I can't decide on a scheme and on a title bar yet, I hope you help me with this:)
http://www.egyptianplayers.com/zohny/index1.htm

http://www.egyptianplayers.com/zohny/index.html

what do u think? Is it professional enough? Smiling or I have to make other modifications, the site has no content as u can see, but u can review the rollover buttons on the left, the main title and the basic layout

thanks alot in advance

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I would choose the first one, it is far more colorful and not dull like the second.

But I might suggest using a different graphic on the top right. This page appears to be about cheap air fares or something, and a picture of a stadium doesn't go along with that.

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Hi:)

The picture to thr right is not for a stadium, its the destination of the trip so its a must:)

I like the 2nd more:) hehe...I think although not colorful but it catch the eye more than colors:)

Thanks for ur reply..any more suggestions please?

I want the best for this site, as its my second wdesigned site and the first to get money from it

btw: In average, if this site is ten pages, and most of it like pictures and text, and links, how much should i get after making graphics, layout. and content?

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We can't tell you what to charge - in the US and Canada (at least! Probably other countries too) it's illegal to discuss specific pricing among competitors. It's called price fixing. And since this site is hosted in the US it's best not to discuss it. You have to decide for yourself how much this is worth to you. Of course, some sites do post their rates, you could just have a look around at theirs...

I personally like the second one better - you've done a better job of matching colours to the photo. That is Mecca, correct? Maybe you could try to introduce some elements into the design that would help portray the spiritual nature of the destination.

You really like those scan lines don't you? Honestly, I think they're starting to become a bit of a cliché.

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Hi Megan:)

About pricing, It's ok, I understand now..

Yup:) your guess is right about the place, I will introduce pictures from this place on the main page, but I guess only a pic on the title is enough, or it will be crowded...right?

I agree with u about the scan lines, many banners, titles use them ..I like them cuz they give nice look and also they hide minor faults within ur picture..hehe

I don't give them 100% opacity though, so they don't look very thick:)

anything about the rollovers to the left?, the colors...etc?

I made round corners for the layout, I think its better than the sharp edges...

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I like the index1 but maybe blend the image at the right into the graphic more. and not sure if the red goes well with it.

Both sites have display problems in Netscape4.7, you're using blank td cells, always use   in empty td cells

and both sites have a very slight horzitional scroll in IE5

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Hi

Hm, two voted for inde1:) I will try to find better blend of colors and text for it...

I have index2 now:

http://www.egyptianplayers.com/zohny/index2.htm

New idea, forget about the txt to the left as I hacve to make it itlaic and choose better font and effects, but what about the idea?

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Hi

Hm, two voted for inde1:) I will try to find better blend of colors and text for it...

I have index2 now:

http://www.egyptianplayers.com/zohny/index2.htm

New idea, forget about the txt to the left as I hacve to make it itlaic and choose better font and effects, but what about the idea?

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Hi

Hm, two voted for inde1:) I will try to find better blend of colors and text for it...

I have index2 now:

http://www.egyptianplayers.com/zohny/index2.htm

New idea, forget about the txt to the left as I hacve to make it itlaic and choose better font and effects, but what about the idea?

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Hi, I like the index2 better than the others for the reasons mentioned above. The plane makes it much more obvious to the viewer what the page is all about.

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hmmm thought you said you werent gonna change the picture Smiling

I think the new one is alot better looking..

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Yup...The third was the last choice:)

I will strt testing compatibility with Netscape tomorrow..

I will contact the owner and tell him abiout index2 & 3 and he will choose the best:)

Do u think I should keep the colours as it is with index3?

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index2 is good, the sun is a little to bright thou, I think you did you job as graphic maker just a little bit to good, actually looks like a really bright sunset.
Same display problems in Netscape, just so you know

Is it "FlyingBargains.com" or "Zohny Tours" ? if its flying bargins go with index2, if its Zohny Tours, go with index1

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I like the second one (index.html) but agree with busy that the last one may be better if the domain is FlyingBargains.com but having Zohny Tours may confuse people.

I personally think that the nav buttons are too big and that the Welcome graphic is too shadowy and the boxes behind it don't fit with the rest of the design.

I too get scrollbars at 800*600

Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....

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Hi again my fiends:) I had lonfg time fixing my PC ..finally I had to format my HDD:(

Well, back to the tours site..I contacted the owners and they liked index banner too..

I have worked on the design and layout, added pictures from the holy place..nd they said that they are impressed with both the graphics and layout..I have to make 4 pages of content but I guess the hard part already finished..

Busy...I used index one as u said

webmistress: I made buttons on as top bar and used another welcome graphic...

Finally I hope that you like it:)

http://www.egyptianplayers.com/zohny/index.html

For netscape ompatibility, I have worked on it, but there is a white space between the main graphic and buttons, it should be black...I do hate that netscape for these weird results!!! any ideas how to fix it?

Many thanks in advance

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wow looks nice!

in IE6 it looks like there is a thin white line on the left of the page. looks like perhaps the middle section of the page got shifted a pixel to the right somehow. (nothing major of course, just minorly cosmetic)

there also appears to be some strange line breaking in the text on the page. for example, there are 2 line breaks in the middle paragraph, and there probably shouldn't be any. theres also one in the bottom paragraph that probably shouldn't be there.

but overall your site looks great!

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Thanks alot:)

I will modify the text later , i added i t by copy/past so I didn't take notice of line breaks...

yeah..there is one pixel on the left need black..couldn't do it though.Smiling its not obvious but i have to find a solution for it in the final stage

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Hey,

The 2nd one looks much moe better and more "confidence inspiring". Although you might wanna use some more colors with it.. just to make the site a little upbeat, make sure you use sobre colors.

good job..all the way

apoorva

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Quote: For netscape ompatibility, I have worked on it, but there is a white space between the main graphic and buttons, it should be black...I do hate that netscape for these weird results!!! any ideas how to fix it?

I had a look at your code, and you have a extra table row, remove this part:

which is part of the fourth table from the top, also add   to the empty td cells above it

and to fix the thin white line mentioned, the line you have is this:

change it to:
 

or you could remove it all together but gives you a slight line at the right. but you could resize your other cells
I only checked this at 800x600 on NS 4.7 and NS 6

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Looks good but I still think it needs a touch more colour somehow, maybe on the buttons as rollover??? Still getting a horizontal scrollbar at 800*600 though.

Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....

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Hi ...

I have uploaded the site now...it has few errors at some pages in the bottom..

http://www.zohnytours.com

please help me fixing them:)

thanks busy for ur help and for webmistress:)

I am using dreamweaver4..how to make it netscape compatible using dreamweaver?

thanks alot in advance

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Quote: how to make it netscape compatible using dreamweaver?

Easy, delete dreamweaver and hand code your html Laughing out loud, but seriously, DW and FP arent really Netscape friendly, they tend to lean towards IE which is very relaxed in bad coding. to do it properly with a WYSISWG you'll always end up with some hand coding to make it universal.

It lines up well in IE5 and Opera6, has the same probelm as before in NS6 (which is my fault) but is worse now in Net4.7

remember before i told you to change that line to:
well you did and that was great, only problem is i wrote what was meant to be in between the font tags in html and it didnt show up - sorry.
so inbetween the font tags, add   (if you write   it doesnt appear, it has to be written as   ).

I'll have a play with your code after dinner and see what I can come up with, shouldnt be anything major.

Also the blur on mouseover isnt a nice effect, changing color would be better.

no scroll bar for me at 800x600 on opera6 or IE5, but slight one on NS6 (massive one on 4.7 but we'll fix that in a sec)

Edit: OK I had a sneak at your code, and think it may be easier for us both if you recode your layout, I counted 13 tables and with so much unused cells that DW adds to your code, redoing it would not only make it easier to fix but also speed your loading time as some of these tables are very deeply nested.
I'd say work on 5 tables (only 1 nested)
1/ banner (100% width)
2/ black line, welcome and top navigation
3/ side image and content section
4/ nested table (maybe) with side image valigned top in left side image of above
5/ lower naviagation and bottom black line

and if you wanted to could wrap all this in one main table to set your overall width etc but its on 0 margins so isnt really needed if all tables are set to same widths.

Its up to you, I'll help you find the error in what you have now or with a new layout, choice is yours, but the key word here is help, I wont do it for you - give man a fish, feed him for a day, teach him to fish feed him for life ...

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Hi Busy...

Thanks alot for offering help:)

Bad thing I don't know code..I am user of DW and photoshop only...

I am willing o learn HTML though, but it will take some time for sure.

I am using glow (not blur) for the rollover to make some feeling of light as the menutitle is black..

U r right about DW, pages look nearly perfect on IE but on Netscape they look highly distorted!

Just point the errors to me and I will try to fix them..No need to do it for me:) Just give me the fish:)

I don't have scroll bards too..Webmistress told me she noticed scrollbars..

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zoz123 since its Xmas eve here in NZ today, I may be pushed for time, got some food shopping to do and now have to go find somewhere open to get a new waterbed heater, mine picked a fine time to stop working.

The bottom black part thats not showing up just needs a   in a bottom empty td cell and the top cell that i mentioned before also needs it.
but the overall width in NS4.7 is another matter, you either have to make the site a fixed width (like your top banner is) or make it all 100% including your top banner (black bg under top banner so it extends).

thats the basics for 800x600, havent tried it on larger screens. Not sure if its my version of NS6 or not but the images (links) actually disappear on mouseover. there is still a slight scroll bar at800x600 in NS6 but thats a nested table issue.

I'll look some more when I get home

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thanks busy and merry christmax:)

I have also wide space on the left bottom...can't correct it:(

I have corrected the top table by adding a layout cell with

 

but the white space on the bottom left is really annoying

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