Please take at look at cafehome.co.uk

images in top menu wrap on the second line when you resize window to smaller width. use "nowrap" in your table.
Web Graphics -> Sunny Day - images in the new window do not load.

Hi todoren,

Thanks for that, the Sunny Day images still appear to point to my hard-drive so I'll sort that out when I get home from work. I'll also add the nowrap tag as well.

Anyone else have any comments? Surely I must have got more wrong than just those two things.

Thanks,

Becky

Hello again,

Just to let you all know, I'm moving hosts so the site may be down for a few hours.

I'll let you know as soon as it's up and running again.

Hi,

The site is now up and running again. Same URL, different host.

Please come and visit - I'd like more comments.

Thanks.

Becky

Come on all!

Just asking for a couple of minutes of your time to leave a teeny weeny comment.

Pleeeese,

Becky

well, want more
Netscape version doesn't work in Netscape, what a coincidence. NC4.5. I can see only the top frame and nothing else.

Hi again, todoren.

I've only run it in Netscape 6 - no probs on that front. I'll install an older version tomorrow and see if I can fix the problem.

thanks for checking back ,

Becky

you are welcome
What I like with NN4 is that it very critical to the code integrity. If you want to check your pages for code errors use NN4. If you see a blank screen as in your case, usually it means that you missed a closing tag somewhere or something like that.
To find those erros you can use code validators built in your HTML editor, I like Allaire Homesite or Cold Fusion Studio.

Good luck

I see what you mean todoren - oddly enough, NN 4.7 is reasonably ok if you use the IE entrance. Madness! What have they done to make NN6 require different coding to older versions? So much for backward compatibility! I couldn't find a version of NN4.5 to test with but I would hope there's little difference.

I mentioned it looks reasonable using the IE entrance - everything is there (except my search function which has completely vanished)but the frames are a bit too small and some weird stuff goes on with my poll and e-mail sign-ups if you resize the window.

I shall have to revise my entry methods and sort out the coding tomorrow as I really don't feel up to the task at 11:30 in the evening (not when I have to be up at 6:30am, anyway).

So for now folks, if you're using older versions of Netscape, pick the IE entrance.

Thanks.

Should be working now.

The only thing I'm not entirely happy with is that NN4.7 makes the frames a bit shorter, but if I extend them by one pixel they're too big and you can see the gap.

Well, at least you can see the menu. Oh, and the search function does not work - it just disappears.

Just to let you all know, I've made a no-frames version for those that have trouble with frames. Older versions of Netscape are also a bit more forgiving with this.

I'd still be happy to hear any comments

Thanks,

Becky

I can't get by your front page about frames - the code crashes my N4.7 - I think the suggestion about running this stuff through a code validator makes a lot of sense - looking at the code for the frame page, I found some table construction that N4 won't like - all your cells and rows need to be closed - if the resize problem in N is what I think it may be (unwanted line breaks on styled elements), try placing this in your body tagsonresize="if(navigator.appName=='Netscape')location.reload()"'
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I looked at index2.html in IE - don't think I'm picking on you, but the code for that frameset looks a little "eccentric"
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how 'bout something along these lines - I think the code for both the navbar and the body (but not the side ) are crashing N4.7 - in other words, members SHOULD NOT click on this link in that browser
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also, you may want to display menu3.html as some sort of server-side include - I'm guessing you deny the scrollbar in that frame because you don't want one to appear in the middle of your page - but you'll be cutting off the content for viewers at low resolutions (even 800 X 600, I think) the way you have it

[Edited by mmi on Feb. 26, 2001 at 05:14 PM]

Hi mmi,

Thanks for the exhaustive list of problems :eek:

I have spent a couple of hours trying to sort it all out this afternoon and I think I know what the major problem has been. It seems I've missed out a few all important close TR tags. I've rectified this and you should (hopefully) experience very few problems with N4.7 now.

As for the menu.html file, yes I have disabled the scrolling as it would ruin the whole effect, but it does look OK in 800x600 which is what I was aiming for.

I'm sure, however, you'll check back and find some way of proving me wrong I don't use Netscape anywhere as extensively as you appear to so I'm sure there are still a few things that need to be "ironed out"

Many thanks,

Becky

p.s. What do you mean exactly by "eccentric"?

well, it works now so I guess it must be ok - I just thought the code I'd written

'was more conventional - but it's been a while since I did anything with frames, so perhaps my approach is outdated
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if your host supports it, you can use a server-side include to display menu3 on each page - this allows you to avoid placing all the code on each page AND no "middle-of-the-page" scrollbar - you could even do it for top.html and avoid frames altogether

[Edited by mmi on Feb. 27, 2001 at 03:25 PM]

I see what you mean.

Almost everything I've learned about HTML (including frames) came from HTML Goodies. I don't think there's ever one correct way of doing anything, I just wrote it in the way I was taught. I can safely say that I won't be using frames again in a hurry as they've been a major headache for me. But at least it works (finally).

I do believe my host offers the facility for server-side includes but that's something I haven't learnt how to do yet - all looks a bit scary. Maybe an option for the near future, I'll definitely look into it.

Thanks again,

Becky

I think you're right that there's more than one way to skin a browser - includes are new to me as well but I think they're more manageable and flexible than frames - here's the (slightly edited) code for one of my pages to give you a look at how simple this really is (I couldn't do it if it weren't )

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I guess you could do something like'
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it all displays - if you remove the absolute positioning, I think it would line up ok
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I guess you'd want to keep the top and bottom frames so top.html and logo.html would remain visible
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try this one again
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guess that won't work for you either 'cause menu3 disappears under top - oh well, frames may be just what you want - sort of

[Edited by mmi on Feb. 27, 2001 at 05:14 PM]

Hello again mmi,

Thanks for all the advice. Quite honestly I'm loathe to touch the HTML now it works OK. I really only did the frames because it is something I had never done before and I wanted to have a try at mastering it.

These server-side includes seem a bit like style-sheets, but for positioning HTML and graphics rather than just font settings etc. I can see how they work incredibly well when used properly, but I think this is one I shall have a go at with my next web site. Like they say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" (at least I hope it's not broken anymore).

Once again, many thanks and it's been really kind of you to take the time to write some examples for me.

Kind regards,

Becky

Seems a bit quiet in the critique area these days. Where's all them nice reviewers gone?

White with 3 sugars please!

...with one sugar and a dunkie biscuit. yum.

Or maybe they still have carpal tunnel syndrome and have to avoid typing

What IS carpal tunnel syndrome?

It's a repetitive stress injury you get from using a computer too much (especially if your set-up isn't right, like if your chair is crappy or if your keyboard is too high or too low). The carpal tunnel is a small opening in your wrist where some nerves pass from the arm to the hand. When you have carpal tunnel syndrome something swells up in there and constricts the nerve.

So, a word to the wise - if you're on the computer a lot make sure you get up once in awhile and give your wrists a break! It CAN happen to you - even if you've been lucky so far.

isn't there something you can use to mitigate this? - some kind of "wrist rest" or something? - (I'm sure you know about this Megan Jack, just wanted to mention it for others - and of course now that I'm trying to think of it, the exact term is inaccessible to my memory, long in need of updating/expansion ) - our wonderful old US Senate is busy RIGHT NOW striking down years-old OSHA regs requiring that employers make these available