Once choosing the language the page didnt tell me what i needed, like where to go, the "our pages" isnt really a good description.
The right frame is to narrow, to bunched up on a 800x600 screen.
The links on the left frames should be aligned left, centered looks to messed up.
that animated email gif is really annoying, so annoying I'd open the right frame in a new window so I wouldnt have to see it (pressing stop works as well)
Your links arent in any order, maybe set them apart in sections:
founders story
what are we
faq
how to contribute
hints and tips
links
mail friends
webmaster
etc
but I also think some of these links should be renamed
Some of the pages arent finished, but I think you need to check your grammer on what you have so far, you mention your in norway, so maybe english isnt your first language, even using microsofts word set to english should do a pretty good job for you with spelling and grammer.
The Webmistress posted this at 09:13 — 1st November 2001.
Can you help us by reviewing some of the other's sites here on the forum please. You will also find this helps yourself by giving you ideas.
Apart from what's been said above, I think that the site could be better but if this is your first site and made to put some information onto the net about the subject then you've not done a bad job, especially doing it in two languages.
One thing I will say is about frames. If you want this site picked up by the search engines then not using frames is more advisable but not essential, although if you keep them you'll have to do some more work. Put in some noframes content that the spiders can crawl along with links to the other pages and if the spiders index the other pages you'll have to have some kind of frame jamming script in place on them so that a browser will view the page in the correct frame. Also you'll need good meta tags.
As for the look of the site, I'd stick with Veranda for all the text, much easier to read and do something different with the links (don't center them!).
Good start.
Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....
Tor-Andre posted this at 00:17 — 2nd November 2001.
We have been working to see if we can do better without frames. The final testpage is 11,4 kb. That's not bad when you consider that index.html is about 3kb and Amputation.html is 8,16 kb and menu.html is 4,76. That adds up to a total of 15,92 kb. But The menu only loads once and stays there while browsing the other pages by using the fixed menu on the left. Just browsing and reading the text in the right coloumn.
That means that If I already had loaded index.html and the menu and browsed to Amputation it only had to load 8,16 kb instead of now without frames 11,4 kb.
I'm not convinced that it will be better for the readers to make the pages without frames when we always take into consideration that many out there still uses 28.800 kbps modem.
Even a total of 30-50kb is ok for a page or combined for frames, its things like javascript, dhtml, animated graphics and heavy nested tables that can be slow loading, also using the full path on images slows it down.
You mention "better for you readers", if you have the readership already, maybe stick with frames, if you havent got the numbers than table layout would help build them (search engine querys etc)
Tor-Andre posted this at 10:57 — 2nd November 2001.
Our pages are in size from 1,83 kb up to 24 kb. We strive to keep all pages under 25 kb for speed.
We have normally between 500-900 visits a week. So the visits are there but we try to do better all the time! And we know that some don't have frames. But we have taken that into consideration by using this text for those who can't see frames.
--------------------------
NO FRAMES TEXT
These pages uses frames, and your browser does not support frames!
You can still see our pages by going directly to the different pages.
Founder's story
What are we?
New cancer!
Contributions
Sponsors
Pictures
Founders
FAQ
Hints & tips
Food matters
Garlic kills cancer
Links
Mailfriends
Contact us
Webmaster
E-mail to webmaster
---------------------------------
I'm thinking about having both with and without frames.
Then visitors can choose themselves. Maybe on our second page? Any thoughts about this?
Go with one or the other, it's pointless making both, just make it so that everyone get's to see something and if that means putting links on all the pages so that if they don't have frames or find a page on a search engine then everyone still gets a site they can look through.
Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....
Tor-Andre posted this at 18:34 — 3rd November 2001.
We have made some changes on our pages. The feedback from you have helped us very much. After these changes there will be no problem for our readers to view our pages. Regardless of browser and display (resolution). We want to thank you for all your comments and we would appreciate if you could say something about the changes we have made.
Looks better, but still think the right coloumn is to narrow, you have all that area to play with.
I think you need to add some oompf into it, with just the two colors (plus logo) is a bit flat, maybe just a beveled edge on the left frame, logo on the left frame as well, maybe even as a muted background, maybe use white on the right. colors are always the hardest bit for me.
Tor-Andre posted this at 23:50 — 3rd November 2001.
umm muted I was meaning using your logo muted (faded) into the background, so its seen but only just, kind of like a water mark.
I borrowed this site from another critique http://www.dcdomain.org/bam/main.htm the dragon on the left is muted, that dragon is a little to detailed to have text over it, but a logo, icon, name etc are fine for backgrounds.
just an idea.
Tor-Andre posted this at 03:23 — 4th November 2001.
I have tried to make a menu out of different pictures and faded images. I think I'll get there sometime in the future. Have to learn more first. I'm a self made man and have developed over the last two years.
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dmwhipp posted this at 21:42 — 31st October 2001.
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13" monitor 800x600
IE 5.0
ISDN connection
Site loads quickly and once you select language and click on flag, menu is simple and clean.
I would suggest having text which intructs viewers to click on the flag for more information.
Also, a lot of beige - I personally would set off the left nav bar with a different color.
Perhaps even make the log a little larger for more color contrast.
Deborah
Deborah Whipp
http://www.acleverpenny.com
Tor-Andre posted this at 22:39 — 31st October 2001.
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Thanks for giving us these feedbacks. We will consider and develop the pages further.
Busy posted this at 00:09 — 1st November 2001.
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A Vise man said use spell check
Once choosing the language the page didnt tell me what i needed, like where to go, the "our pages" isnt really a good description.
The right frame is to narrow, to bunched up on a 800x600 screen.
The links on the left frames should be aligned left, centered looks to messed up.
that animated email gif is really annoying, so annoying I'd open the right frame in a new window so I wouldnt have to see it (pressing stop works as well)
Your links arent in any order, maybe set them apart in sections:
founders story
what are we
faq
how to contribute
hints and tips
links
mail friends
webmaster
etc
but I also think some of these links should be renamed
Some of the pages arent finished, but I think you need to check your grammer on what you have so far, you mention your in norway, so maybe english isnt your first language, even using microsofts word set to english should do a pretty good job for you with spelling and grammer.
The Webmistress posted this at 09:13 — 1st November 2001.
She has: 5,586 posts
Joined: Feb 2001
Welcome to TWF.
Can you help us by reviewing some of the other's sites here on the forum please. You will also find this helps yourself by giving you ideas.
Apart from what's been said above, I think that the site could be better but if this is your first site and made to put some information onto the net about the subject then you've not done a bad job, especially doing it in two languages.
One thing I will say is about frames. If you want this site picked up by the search engines then not using frames is more advisable but not essential, although if you keep them you'll have to do some more work. Put in some noframes content that the spiders can crawl along with links to the other pages and if the spiders index the other pages you'll have to have some kind of frame jamming script in place on them so that a browser will view the page in the correct frame. Also you'll need good meta tags.
As for the look of the site, I'd stick with Veranda for all the text, much easier to read and do something different with the links (don't center them!).
Good start.
Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....
Tor-Andre posted this at 00:17 — 2nd November 2001.
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Joined: Oct 2001
We have been working to see if we can do better without frames. The final testpage is 11,4 kb. That's not bad when you consider that index.html is about 3kb and Amputation.html is 8,16 kb and menu.html is 4,76. That adds up to a total of 15,92 kb. But The menu only loads once and stays there while browsing the other pages by using the fixed menu on the left. Just browsing and reading the text in the right coloumn.
That means that If I already had loaded index.html and the menu and browsed to Amputation it only had to load 8,16 kb instead of now without frames 11,4 kb.
I'm not convinced that it will be better for the readers to make the pages without frames when we always take into consideration that many out there still uses 28.800 kbps modem.
But we want more feedback.
Test this : http://www.tasfoundation.org/test/amputation_test_no_frames.html
br
Tor-Andre Skogland
founder of TAS Foundation
http://www.tasfoundation.org
Busy posted this at 04:28 — 2nd November 2001.
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I think the average these days is 33bps
Even a total of 30-50kb is ok for a page or combined for frames, its things like javascript, dhtml, animated graphics and heavy nested tables that can be slow loading, also using the full path on images slows it down.
You mention "better for you readers", if you have the readership already, maybe stick with frames, if you havent got the numbers than table layout would help build them (search engine querys etc)
Tor-Andre posted this at 10:57 — 2nd November 2001.
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Joined: Oct 2001
Our pages are in size from 1,83 kb up to 24 kb. We strive to keep all pages under 25 kb for speed.
We have normally between 500-900 visits a week. So the visits are there but we try to do better all the time! And we know that some don't have frames. But we have taken that into consideration by using this text for those who can't see frames.
--------------------------
NO FRAMES TEXT
These pages uses frames, and your browser does not support frames!
You can still see our pages by going directly to the different pages.
Founder's story
What are we?
New cancer!
Contributions
Sponsors
Pictures
Founders
FAQ
Hints & tips
Food matters
Garlic kills cancer
Links
Mailfriends
Contact us
Webmaster
E-mail to webmaster
---------------------------------
I'm thinking about having both with and without frames.
Then visitors can choose themselves. Maybe on our second page? Any thoughts about this?
br
Tor-Andre Skogland
founder of TAS Foundation
http://www.tasfoundation.org
The Webmistress posted this at 11:02 — 2nd November 2001.
She has: 5,586 posts
Joined: Feb 2001
Go with one or the other, it's pointless making both, just make it so that everyone get's to see something and if that means putting links on all the pages so that if they don't have frames or find a page on a search engine then everyone still gets a site they can look through.
Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....
Tor-Andre posted this at 18:34 — 3rd November 2001.
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We have made some changes on our pages. The feedback from you have helped us very much. After these changes there will be no problem for our readers to view our pages. Regardless of browser and display (resolution). We want to thank you for all your comments and we would appreciate if you could say something about the changes we have made.
Do it if you have the "urge".
http://www.tasfoundation.org
br
Tor-Andre Skogland
founder of TAS Foundation
http://www.tasfoundation.org
Busy posted this at 21:37 — 3rd November 2001.
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Joined: May 2001
me again
Looks better, but still think the right coloumn is to narrow, you have all that area to play with.
I think you need to add some oompf into it, with just the two colors (plus logo) is a bit flat, maybe just a beveled edge on the left frame, logo on the left frame as well, maybe even as a muted background, maybe use white on the right. colors are always the hardest bit for me.
Tor-Andre posted this at 23:50 — 3rd November 2001.
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Busy
Can you please explain Muted background?
Busy posted this at 02:27 — 4th November 2001.
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eeeek a hard question
umm muted I was meaning using your logo muted (faded) into the background, so its seen but only just, kind of like a water mark.
I borrowed this site from another critique http://www.dcdomain.org/bam/main.htm the dragon on the left is muted, that dragon is a little to detailed to have text over it, but a logo, icon, name etc are fine for backgrounds.
just an idea.
Tor-Andre posted this at 03:23 — 4th November 2001.
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Thanks for making that quite clear.
I have tried to make a menu out of different pictures and faded images. I think I'll get there sometime in the future. Have to learn more first. I'm a self made man and have developed over the last two years.
br
Tor-Andre Skogland
founder of TAS Foundation
http://www.tasfoundation.org
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