JUST A NOTE: Parker is taking a one month trial run to decide if he is to stay as a moderator. I'm opposed to three moderators, but that's JP decision. I have nothing against Parker
bilbong30: nope, no one gets paid. If you want to become a moderator you have to talk to JP or Patrick who are the admins. You need experiance, time, and the skills to be chosen.
You just don't want me to take over your place Justin. Besides you are already a moderator. I have been asking JP and bugging him since before his trip.
Robp: Currently I am not working on any web sites. If I decide not to do them any more I delete them so I have nothing to show for.
Well I better go watch the rest of my movie. (2Gether) I didn't get to see it that night so I had my girlfriend tape it for me.
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Justin S posted this at 23:13 — 23rd February 2000.
First congrats on the moderator thingy ! But personally I dont think someone should be a moderator simply because (s)he "bugs" the admins, it should be based on his/her interaction on the board / his/her knowledge of the internet and web design (for this board). There's a difference between being a moderator because you have the ability or because you want to be part of something. I just think the admins should contact users whenever they wish to add moderators not the other way around.
I dont want you to think I am personally pushing you Parker, I was just talking generally.
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A moderator is someone who looks over the forum and makes sure everything is going smoothly. Justin and Megs both visit here daily, so why would the critique forum need someone else to help 'moderate' it?
Who cares about the title 'moderator'. It doesn't mean you are helpful (although most moderators here seem to be). If you really want to help out, just hit the <reply> button and shed some light on what you thought about the site.
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Well if it makes you happy I visit every day 2. Also JP put me as Moderator because he felt I was doing a pretty good job of reviewing sites. I haven't been able to do many lately because I have been busy. See ya
~Park~
Yeah well to make things worse I visit here everyday too and I asked to be a moderator two months ago! I have loads of experience and have contributed my fair share!
~Vy~
Adam Lysne posted this at 05:27 — 24th February 2000.
Meaning if you are busy, you do not have the time to do it. Also, I have a greater knowledge of website design, and computer in general, but I am not no moderator, I am just glad I can help out.
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What's the big deal anyway? All you get is "moderator" instead of "member" and the ability to edit other people's posts (which is hardly ever necessary), and lock threads (again, not often necessary). It's not that big of a deal - before I was one I rarely even noticed who the moderators were. You also have a lot more responsibilities. Basically, moderator status doesn't make you any better than members or junior members IMO.
I didn't ask to be a moderator - happy to do it as long as JP thinks I'm a good choice. It's JP and Patrick's BBS - the choice of moderators is theirs and no one else's. I honestly don't think it's anyone's place to beg them for moderator status.
Yeah, you should be glad you can just help out. I doesn't make you "cooler" or "better" then anyone else to be a moderator. Moderators are just people who watch over the forums, and help them run smoothly. Period.
If you bugged JP to make you a moderator, then I don't think you deserve the job. The same rules apply here like IRC. If you've ever used IRC (internet relay chat), then you probably know that the "rulers" of a chat room will only "op" you if you have 1) knowledge, 2) time, and 3) have been helpful. And if you beg, then you get kicked.
VY: it doesn't matter how long you've been here, or how long you've begged, JP won't make you a moderator unless you are helpful and have the time.
I still back up my argument though, that there should be no more then two moderators per forum. JP? Patrick? What do you think?
Ok I am getting pissed. I am only doing it to make this place better. Seems like you people don't give a ****. Infact I'm pretty mad. I didn't want me becoming a moderator turning into this big wahoo thing. So JP just take me off moderator screw it. I don't care anymore.
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dangelo posted this at 22:35 — 24th February 2000.
quote:Originally posted by Parker Trasborg: Ok I am getting pissed. I am only doing it to make this place better. Seems like you people don't give a ****. Infact I'm pretty mad. I didn't want me becoming a moderator turning into this big wahoo thing. So JP just take me off moderator screw it. I don't care anymore.
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If you didnt want this thing to be a "wahoo thing", why did you come in here saying "Im Moderator in here now! Yeah!"
Doesnt make much sense, and also, being moderator isn't a big deal, and it was you who came in here boasting and blowing your horn about it. Not to be mean or anything, BUT ITS NOT A BIG DEAL!
OK, thats my 2.34298 cents
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I'de be happy to be a modorator, I mgith want to brag about it but i wouldn't. Basically all they are saying is your not god, if your a modorator.
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I agree with everyone. But try not to be so hard on others. Many times there are new moderators and they pop in just to introduce themselves. What Parker did is just the same IMO.
I don't like to comment on some of these topics because of the 'mood' - I feel some of these topics are getting a little harsh these days.
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Justin S posted this at 23:16 — 24th February 2000.
I hate to say this, but I agree with everyone else. I think your a great person Parker, and it's nothing personal at ALL! None of us here are trying to be mean to you, we're just voicing our opinions. Free speech is a good thing.
Anyway- I also agree that just coming in here and saying what you said set you up for the comments you got.
But your a moderator now, and we're all (at least I am) glad they considered you. But I still think it should be limited to two moderators per category.
Using my Administrator power, I am magically closing this thread
It is completely irrelevant to the topic of this forum.
Further, it has turned into a bashing war.
I do want to touch on a couple things though:
1) Megan said, and I
quote:It's JP and Patrick's BBS - the choice of moderators is theirs and no one else's.
Not true. This is just JP's board. Patrick honestly has no say in things but he does help out a great deal (I am an admin as well but I don't help out nearly as much as he does). But, the board is solely owned by JP.
2) Parker said, and I
quote:Ok I am getting pissed. I am only doing it to make this place better. Seems like you people don't give a ****. Infact I'm pretty mad. I didn't want me becoming a moderator turning into this big wahoo thing. So JP just take me off moderator screw it. I don't care anymore.
This is NOT the way a moderator should act. Moderators do have more responsibilities than "normal" members, and one of them is to make TWF look professional and keep the posts informational. <-- This is the exact reason I am closing this thread.
3) Justin said, and I
quote:JUST A NOTE: Parker is taking a one month trial run to decide if he is to stay as a moderator. I'm opposed to three moderators, but that's JP decision. I have nothing against Parker
This is correct. ALL moderators have a one month trial period. I *do* think some of the forums at TWF need more than one moderator, I don't know about three though. That isn't my decision (it is JP's). I totally support JP's decision here because this is one of the busiest forums on the board and three moderators does NOT hurt anything.
4) RaviJP said, and I
quote:First congrats on the moderator thingy ! But personally I dont think someone should be a moderator simply because (s)he "bugs" the admins, it should be based on his/her interaction on the board / his/her knowledge of the internet and web design (for this board). There's a difference between being a moderator because you have the ability or because you want to be part of something. I just think the admins should contact users whenever they wish to add moderators not the other way around.
I dont want you to think I am personally pushing you Parker, I was just talking generally.
First, what is your username about? ... I notice JP and I was just curious if you are related to JP or anything? Or is it unrelated to JP, the board owner? (go ahead an e-mail me on that if you would like).
Well said - a moderator should not be chosen because the "bug" JP to much, and I don't think this is the case. At least I hope it isn't. I haven't been able to talk with JP much about making Parker a moderator, but I am sure his decision is justified and I again support him.
5) Robp said, and I
quote:Who cares about the title 'moderator'. It doesn't mean you are helpful (although most moderators here seem to be). If you really want to help out, just hit the <reply> button and shed some light on what you thought about the site.
Again, well put. Moderators just have the ability to control a forum and make sure things are on topic. It would be one heck of a job for JP to keep up with everything. They are no better or worse than any other person. And they can certainly not know the answer to something (been there, done that) in their forum.
6) vy22 said, and I
quote:Yeah well to make things worse I visit here everyday too and I asked to be a moderator two months ago! I have loads of experience and have contributed my fair share!
I think your moderator position was turned down because your proposal for a new forum wasn't needed. The forum you were prosposing was already dealt with. It wasn't because JP didn't like you or because you didn't make enough posts. Many users visit everyday and are just as helpful or more helpful than moderators at times. Everyone is really a moderator, they just can't delete and edit posts
7) Brooke said, and I
quote:I don't like to comment on some of these topics because of the 'mood' - I feel some of these topics are getting a little harsh these days.
Definitly. I have found it increasing a lot lately too. It is making the jobs of all the administrators and moderators more difficult and time consuming to keep TWF spam free, bashing free, argument free, etc.
So, in conclusion, I hope I addressed each of your concerns/questions. This thread is just really un-needed but rather than deleting it, I thought I would close it so that it is here for future reference.
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Anonymous posted this at 23:35 — 24th February 2000.
At JP's discretion, this post was re-opened. He feels that it has useful value and he intends to address it later. I have addressed it for now though and he will probably just touch basis tomorrow when he has a couple minutes.
Please keep things civilized
PS: Parker, I don't think these guys were attacking you personally but rather the idea of having multiple moderators (mainly, more than 2) for a forum.
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Anonymous posted this at 00:47 — 25th February 2000.
Icurrently don't see anything Parker did wrong. All he did was posting a message saying 'Hi! I am a new moderator in here' and that's it. No reason to start one of this endless threads, is it?
If somebody has a serios reason against Parker being a moderator, please contact one of the administrators and we can talk about it.
JP Stones, Chad Simper and me are the persons responsible for TWF and CF. This is not a question of Ownership or something, we share the work on the forums among us. Who will do the best job, will do what has to be done. JP is the one of us who not just founded and owns TWF, he is the 'good soul' here so it's his own business to set up new moderators and if he decides it is appropriate to add a third moderator because it deserves it, he adds him or her. There is no need to argue about it, no one else but JP is responsible for this.
oSorry about my last post I was just getting kind of angry. I'm sorry for everything. I agree that there should be only 2 but...(always a but) this is the buisiest forum here and might need 3 once in a while. It just made me feel bad that I became I moderator to help and JP made me it because he felt I was doing a good job here not because I bugged him. Sorry if I made it sound like that. But anyway as I was saying I became a moderator to help not to cause problems. I'm sorry for everything and no1 else has to state that they think there should be only 2 because we know that already. Thanks for your time.
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Justin S posted this at 03:20 — 25th February 2000.
So, this topic has generated enough "publicity" for Chad to get involved eh?
I also feel that this is a good topic to keep open, so people can voice their opinion. I don't know, I think that 3 moderators is too much even for this forum. There are about 2-4 new threads a day, and so far Megs and I havn't had any trouble.
Second, I don't think there is a growing number of spam/language/etc... There may be a new spam message every few weeks, but not like some BBS's.
Not to start a fight and sorry if this sounds bad it just seems like your just trying to keep me out of moderator. In the end it is JP's decision so I guess what we say won't impact his decision much. I'm so sorry for all of this to happen. Like I said I am just trying to help and it seems like I am just making things worse. I like being called moderator and if JP takes me off and all I was called moderator for was a couple of days that is fine too. Well, I'm sorry for all the trouble I have caused and I hope we can get around it some how. Thanks,
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John Pollock posted this at 05:06 — 25th February 2000.
I don't think Moderators are there because they help more, or they are better webmasters, I think they are there to make sure that the forums dont go out of control, and dont go off topic. It's the members that are here for helping (the moderators also).
Ok, I think this subject has been beaten in enough, so I'll stop.
And Parker, sorry for my post way up there, I didn't mean to offend you at all
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Actually, the thread didn't attract me. I rarely visit the critique forum (I wouldn't think a thread could get out of hand there and last time I checked, the moderators were doing a great job at keeping things where they belonged). However, another visitor e-mailed me with the URL saying that I should look at it, so I did.
I honestly didn't care about leaving the thread open, as long as it wouldn't get worse. But, I really didn't see a point in the thread so I closed it but JP wanted to leave it open until he could address it.
When a visitor e-mails about something (rare, but it does happen), it is usually serious or something they feel really needs to be dealt with so I always follow up on it ASAP.
I am not really sure I understand your "two moderators only" theory. I don't really see where it is hurting, in the least, having three moderators? Heck, I wouldn't care if there were 14 other moderators on the forums that I moderate. I just really don't see where it is causing a problem.
Anywho, you guys have managed to keep this thread civilized and on topic (both of which I had great confidence in because the members involved aren't here for a bashing party I don't think) which is good. JP said he would deal with this today (what that means is anyone's guess ).
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Anonymous posted this at 14:48 — 25th February 2000.
Actually the JP in my name stands for Jai Pachai which is my last name..nothing to do with the other JP.
I'd like to congratulate Parker (again), I just found his first post where he said he had been "bugging" JP to be a little deceiving.
I also can understand why some of the members are "upset" because most of them put alot of hard work into this particular forum. Obviously JP can't make Everyone a moderator but I guess the feelings would be different if everyone who wanted to be a moderator felt like they had a chance just like Parker. Personally, I run a board on my website, and I dont even have time to check it everyday so I got some other people to do it for me.
Ok, what I am trying to say is, generally people feel left out when decisions like who becomes a new moderator are made without them or when they dont have a shot at the new position. True enough, it IS JP's board, but it wouldnt be what it is without the members.
I hope I explained myself well enough . Probably not but ah well.
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Sorry that is not correct Chad,
I Offered to Moderate for a selection of forums. General, Website critique and another one that I can't remember cause it was such a while I applied. I remember when I originally asked, oooh way back in september when I was a wee boy(ahh those were the days!) I waited about a few years and got an e-mail from JP asking basically if I was still interested and I said sure and that was the last of it.
Anyway I don't care who the Mods are as long as they do a good job and so far everyone has been cool! I understand why Parker said "YEAH!" Simple because he is happy that he is moderating such an ACE UBB. Anyway congratulations Parker I think you should all give them man his dues and thank him for the good work!
~Vy~
Denmark 3 posted this at 19:56 — 25th February 2000.
Ok, I know my following post may offend some people, but I will voice my opinion.
Here is my theory on more than 2 mods: if you moderator thinks a post may be done and he closes it, and another thinks the opposite, while the third has no clue, then there could be a lot of confusion. The topic could be opened/closed etc... Also- we have found no need to have an additional one.
Next, I don't feel that it's fair Parker got the job by "begging." I don't know this is true, but by what he says I believe it to be. No moderator should beg to get a position, and this brings me to my next point...
Finally, if it were my choice, I would have evaluated the candidates for a 3rd mod. I have nothing against Parker, and I think he's great. But he isn't an "expert" and doesn't have a website currently. So if it were me, I would have looked more...
RaviJP: That's cool. I was just being curious I honestly didn't think it had anything to do with JP but I thought you might warship him or something.
Vy22: OK, no problem. I didn't know you e-mailed JP, but I thought I saw a post by you a while back recommending a new forum (and having you the moderator of it) and it getting voted down just because the forums are already to many. Must have been someone else.
Justin: That makes total sense. I hadn't thought of it but I can see where your point is very valid. I guess that if it does happen, it would have to be brought to the attention of one of the administrators (JP, Partrick, or myself). I don't really know but I do see your point.
I don't feel it would be fair that Parker got the "job" for just begging, but I don't think that was JP's reason for "hiring" him. I guess we will have to wait for JP's post before this gets cleared up.
Your third point is also valid. I don't know how many candidates JP had for the third moderator position, or anything about the selection because he made the decision, not me.
I am just trying to address the conerns and questions here until JP finalizes everything.
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dangelo posted this at 00:14 — 26th February 2000.
Yeah Justin, I agree about the "Not having a web site" thing (the last sentence of your post above)
However, I don't think you have a web site, do you? I understand you are going through some server problems or something, but thats just an excuse. Parker just doesn't have a current web site because, well, she has nothing to do.
Maybe not having a web site is good, then she can focus all her attention to TWF
I do agree with you though, she shouldn't have gotten the position for begging, but she might not have gotten it that way. And if you did Parker, tisk tisk
I think the subject is pretty well beaten-in, and maybe should be closed? What do you think Moderators?
LOL - I didn't think that was the case, but you never know
As for closing this thread, I tried to yesterday but JP said not to because he wanted to address it. I do think however that everything is solved hopefully and what people want to say has been said. JP plans to look at this and absorb every bit of information within. No need to close the thread but I do think it is a well beaten topic now
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Denmark 3 posted this at 03:37 — 26th February 2000.
DANGELO: Yep, I have 4 websites in the works. One (Ineffable Designs) should be online tomorrow. The rest are done, but I'm waiting on various things to come through (merchant account, etc...).
OK, I think I should air my thoughts on this topic...it seems that there are many points to be addressed in this thread.
1/ Parker was invited on a moderator trial as he seemed very committed and as he had no website at the moment I thought he would add a different angle to the other two moderators...
Whether this proves to be the case still has to be seen.
2/ It is true that the forum did not 'need' another moderator. But taking the time to write several good reviews per day is demanding and as this is an unwritten rule to be moderator of this forum I thought 3 moderators would cope better with the ever increasing posts per day in here...
3/ VY, I have not forgotten about you, you are one of the3 moderators I am considering for new positions. I'm just sorry about the delay but I can not just give the positions away every 5 mins
4/Parker's outburst was slightly worrying for someone meant to be keeping the forums in order - he has appologised and hopefully it will not happen again. That said he was certainly provoked...
5/ I think Brooke sums up this thread perfectly.
quote:I agree with everyone. But try not to be so hard on others. Many times there are new moderators and they pop in just to introduce themselves. What Parker did is just the same IMO.
I don't like to comment on some of these topics because of the 'mood' - I feel some of these topics are getting a little harsh these days.
Remember that there are people behind these words, behind these computers. And we all have feelings.
As moderators we should try and make the reviews as correct as possible but also as friendly as we can to make a members time at TWF as pleasant as possible.
6/ As John Pollock said it is a combination of the moderators and the members that make such a forum as successful as this one has become. And I would like to once again thank you for helping TWF move towards it's aim of 'helping other internet users for the good of the internet!'
7/ Finally, as for the pos problem with 3 moderators, please relate all problems to me and we will discuss how to solve them.
I think I have said enough for now
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Rob Pengelly posted this at 21:43 — 23rd February 2000.
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Just curious, what web pages have you worked on?
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bilbong30 posted this at 22:34 — 23rd February 2000.
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Do moderators get paid or what? How do you become moderator? What do you guys do? Just curious.
Justin S posted this at 22:36 — 23rd February 2000.
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JUST A NOTE: Parker is taking a one month trial run to decide if he is to stay as a moderator. I'm opposed to three moderators, but that's JP decision. I have nothing against Parker
bilbong30: nope, no one gets paid. If you want to become a moderator you have to talk to JP or Patrick who are the admins. You need experiance, time, and the skills to be chosen.
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Denmark 3 posted this at 22:58 — 23rd February 2000.
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You just don't want me to take over your place Justin.
Besides you are already a moderator. I have been asking JP and bugging him since before his trip.
Robp: Currently I am not working on any web sites. If I decide not to do them any more I delete them so I have nothing to show for.
Well I better go watch the rest of my movie. (2Gether) I didn't get to see it that night so I had my girlfriend tape it for me.
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Justin S posted this at 23:13 — 23rd February 2000.
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No, not at all. I just don't think there should be 3 moderators. It's nothing against you or my "position."
Anyway- later...
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Anonymous posted this at 01:33 — 24th February 2000.
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Hey
First congrats on the moderator thingy
! But personally I dont think someone should be a moderator simply because (s)he "bugs" the admins, it should be based on his/her interaction on the board / his/her knowledge of the internet and web design (for this board). There's a difference between being a moderator because you have the ability or because you want to be part of something. I just think the admins should contact users whenever they wish to add moderators not the other way around.
I dont want you to think I am personally pushing you Parker, I was just talking generally.
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Travis posted this at 01:35 — 24th February 2000.
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Parker, did this used to be your site? http://playstuff.hypermart.net
Just wondering.
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Rob Pengelly posted this at 02:20 — 24th February 2000.
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I agree with Justin--
A moderator is someone who looks over the forum and makes sure everything is going smoothly. Justin and Megs both visit here daily, so why would the critique forum need someone else to help 'moderate' it?
Who cares about the title 'moderator'. It doesn't mean you are helpful (although most moderators here seem to be). If you really want to help out, just hit the <reply> button and shed some light on what you thought about the site.
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Denmark 3 posted this at 03:55 — 24th February 2000.
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Well if it makes you happy I visit every day 2. Also JP put me as Moderator because he felt I was doing a pretty good job of reviewing sites. I haven't been able to do many lately because I have been busy. See ya
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vy22 posted this at 05:26 — 24th February 2000.
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Yeah well to make things worse I visit here everyday too and I asked to be a moderator two months ago! I have loads of experience and have contributed my fair share!
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Adam Lysne posted this at 05:27 — 24th February 2000.
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Meaning if you are busy, you do not have the time to do it. Also, I have a greater knowledge of website design, and computer in general, but I am not no moderator, I am just glad I can help out.
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Megan posted this at 05:43 — 24th February 2000.
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What's the big deal anyway? All you get is "moderator" instead of "member" and the ability to edit other people's posts (which is hardly ever necessary), and lock threads (again, not often necessary). It's not that big of a deal - before I was one I rarely even noticed who the moderators were. You also have a lot more responsibilities. Basically, moderator status doesn't make you any better than members or junior members IMO.
I didn't ask to be a moderator - happy to do it as long as JP thinks I'm a good choice. It's JP and Patrick's BBS - the choice of moderators is theirs and no one else's. I honestly don't think it's anyone's place to beg them for moderator status.
(I'm basically agreeing with Ravi and Robp here)
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Justin S posted this at 18:50 — 24th February 2000.
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Yeah, you should be glad you can just help out. I doesn't make you "cooler" or "better" then anyone else to be a moderator. Moderators are just people who watch over the forums, and help them run smoothly. Period.
If you bugged JP to make you a moderator, then I don't think you deserve the job. The same rules apply here like IRC. If you've ever used IRC (internet relay chat), then you probably know that the "rulers" of a chat room will only "op" you if you have 1) knowledge, 2) time, and 3) have been helpful. And if you beg, then you get kicked.
VY: it doesn't matter how long you've been here, or how long you've begged, JP won't make you a moderator unless you are helpful and have the time.
I still back up my argument though, that there should be no more then two moderators per forum. JP? Patrick? What do you think?
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Adam Lysne posted this at 20:33 — 24th February 2000.
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Yes, I agree with you that there should be no more than two, but in the Website Critique Forum, I say there should. Three is kind of stupid.
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Denmark 3 posted this at 22:23 — 24th February 2000.
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Ok I am getting pissed. I am only doing it to make this place better. Seems like you people don't give a ****. Infact I'm pretty mad. I didn't want me becoming a moderator turning into this big wahoo thing. So JP just take me off moderator screw it. I don't care anymore.
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dangelo posted this at 22:35 — 24th February 2000.
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If you didnt want this thing to be a "wahoo thing", why did you come in here saying "Im Moderator in here now! Yeah!"
Doesnt make much sense, and also, being moderator isn't a big deal, and it was you who came in here boasting and blowing your horn about it. Not to be mean or anything, BUT ITS NOT A BIG DEAL!
OK, thats my 2.34298 cents
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Grandmaster posted this at 22:48 — 24th February 2000.
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Sounds Correct to me D'Angelo
I'de be happy to be a modorator, I mgith want to brag about it but i wouldn't. Basically all they are saying is your not god, if your a modorator.
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Brooke posted this at 23:12 — 24th February 2000.
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I agree with everyone. But try not to be so hard on others. Many times there are new moderators and they pop in just to introduce themselves. What Parker did is just the same IMO.
I don't like to comment on some of these topics because of the 'mood' - I feel some of these topics are getting a little harsh these days.
Remember that there are people behind these words, behind these computers. And we all have feelings.
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Justin S posted this at 23:16 — 24th February 2000.
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I hate to say this, but I agree with everyone else. I think your a great person Parker, and it's nothing personal at ALL! None of us here are trying to be mean to you, we're just voicing our opinions. Free speech is a good thing.
Anyway- I also agree that just coming in here and saying what you said set you up for the comments you got.
But your a moderator now, and we're all (at least I am) glad they considered you. But I still think it should be limited to two moderators per category.
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Anonymous posted this at 23:31 — 24th February 2000.
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Using my Administrator power, I am magically closing this thread
It is completely irrelevant to the topic of this forum.
Further, it has turned into a bashing war.
I do want to touch on a couple things though:
1) Megan said, and I
Not true. This is just JP's board. Patrick honestly has no say in things but he does help out a great deal (I am an admin as well but I don't help out nearly as much as he does). But, the board is solely owned by JP.
2) Parker said, and I
This is NOT the way a moderator should act. Moderators do have more responsibilities than "normal" members, and one of them is to make TWF look professional and keep the posts informational. <-- This is the exact reason I am closing this thread.
3) Justin said, and I
This is correct. ALL moderators have a one month trial period. I *do* think some of the forums at TWF need more than one moderator, I don't know about three though. That isn't my decision (it is JP's). I totally support JP's decision here because this is one of the busiest forums on the board and three moderators does NOT hurt anything.
4) RaviJP said, and I
First, what is your username about?
... I notice JP and I was just curious if you are related to JP or anything? Or is it unrelated to JP, the board owner? (go ahead an e-mail me on that if you would like).
Well said - a moderator should not be chosen because the "bug" JP to much, and I don't think this is the case. At least I hope it isn't. I haven't been able to talk with JP much about making Parker a moderator, but I am sure his decision is justified and I again support him.
5) Robp said, and I
Again, well put. Moderators just have the ability to control a forum and make sure things are on topic. It would be one heck of a job for JP to keep up with everything. They are no better or worse than any other person. And they can certainly not know the answer to something (been there, done that) in their forum.
6) vy22 said, and I
I think your moderator position was turned down because your proposal for a new forum wasn't needed. The forum you were prosposing was already dealt with. It wasn't because JP didn't like you or because you didn't make enough posts. Many users visit everyday and are just as helpful or more helpful than moderators at times. Everyone is really a moderator, they just can't delete and edit posts
7) Brooke said, and I
Definitly. I have found it increasing a lot lately too. It is making the jobs of all the administrators and moderators more difficult and time consuming to keep TWF spam free, bashing free, argument free, etc.
So, in conclusion, I hope I addressed each of your concerns/questions. This thread is just really un-needed but rather than deleting it, I thought I would close it so that it is here for future reference.
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Anonymous posted this at 23:35 — 24th February 2000.
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At JP's discretion, this post was re-opened. He feels that it has useful value and he intends to address it later. I have addressed it for now though and he will probably just touch basis tomorrow when he has a couple minutes.
Please keep things civilized
PS: Parker, I don't think these guys were attacking you personally but rather the idea of having multiple moderators (mainly, more than 2) for a forum.
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Anonymous posted this at 00:47 — 25th February 2000.
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Sorry for missing the most part of this thread.
Icurrently don't see anything Parker did wrong. All he did was posting a message saying 'Hi! I am a new moderator in here' and that's it. No reason to start one of this endless threads, is it?
If somebody has a serios reason against Parker being a moderator, please contact one of the administrators and we can talk about it.
JP Stones, Chad Simper and me are the persons responsible for TWF and CF. This is not a question of Ownership or something, we share the work on the forums among us. Who will do the best job, will do what has to be done. JP is the one of us who not just founded and owns TWF, he is the 'good soul' here so it's his own business to set up new moderators and if he decides it is appropriate to add a third moderator because it deserves it, he adds him or her. There is no need to argue about it, no one else but JP is responsible for this.
After all, welcome aboard Parker
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Denmark 3 posted this at 01:42 — 25th February 2000.
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oSorry about my last post I was just getting kind of angry. I'm sorry for everything. I agree that there should be only 2 but...(always a but) this is the buisiest forum here and might need 3 once in a while. It just made me feel bad that I became I moderator to help and JP made me it because he felt I was doing a good job here not because I bugged him. Sorry if I made it sound like that. But anyway as I was saying I became a moderator to help not to cause problems. I'm sorry for everything and no1 else has to state that they think there should be only 2 because we know that already. Thanks for your time.
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Justin S posted this at 03:20 — 25th February 2000.
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So, this topic has generated enough "publicity" for Chad to get involved eh?
I also feel that this is a good topic to keep open, so people can voice their opinion. I don't know, I think that 3 moderators is too much even for this forum. There are about 2-4 new threads a day, and so far Megs and I havn't had any trouble.
Second, I don't think there is a growing number of spam/language/etc... There may be a new spam message every few weeks, but not like some BBS's.
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Denmark 3 posted this at 03:45 — 25th February 2000.
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Not to start a fight and sorry if this sounds bad it just seems like your just trying to keep me out of moderator. In the end it is JP's decision so I guess what we say won't impact his decision much. I'm so sorry for all of this to happen. Like I said I am just trying to help and it seems like I am just making things worse. I like being called moderator and if JP takes me off and all I was called moderator for was a couple of days that is fine too. Well, I'm sorry for all the trouble I have caused and I hope we can get around it some how. Thanks,
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John Pollock posted this at 05:06 — 25th February 2000.
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Wow--
Well Parker, you can at least be proud to have started the most entertaining topic of the day!
I have been feeling bad because lately I have been so busy I can only moderate the content/posts instead of being more helpful.
The good news is that there are other members who are really helpful and who have been able to help out with answers in my forum.
The "number of moderators" isn't really important. The "number of helpful members" is the key.
On the flipside, having the extra moderator is a good thing if you decide to take a vacation sometime.
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dangelo posted this at 11:52 — 25th February 2000.
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Well put Pollock
I don't think Moderators are there because they help more, or they are better webmasters, I think they are there to make sure that the forums dont go out of control, and dont go off topic. It's the members that are here for helping (the moderators also).
Ok, I think this subject has been beaten in enough, so I'll stop.
And Parker, sorry for my post way up there, I didn't mean to offend you at all
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Anonymous posted this at 13:27 — 25th February 2000.
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Justin:
Actually, the thread didn't attract me. I rarely visit the critique forum (I wouldn't think a thread could get out of hand there and last time I checked, the moderators were doing a great job at keeping things where they belonged). However, another visitor e-mailed me with the URL saying that I should look at it, so I did.
I honestly didn't care about leaving the thread open, as long as it wouldn't get worse. But, I really didn't see a point in the thread so I closed it but JP wanted to leave it open until he could address it.
When a visitor e-mails about something (rare, but it does happen), it is usually serious or something they feel really needs to be dealt with so I always follow up on it ASAP.
I am not really sure I understand your "two moderators only" theory. I don't really see where it is hurting, in the least, having three moderators? Heck, I wouldn't care if there were 14 other moderators on the forums that I moderate. I just really don't see where it is causing a problem.
Anywho, you guys have managed to keep this thread civilized and on topic (both of which I had great confidence in because the members involved aren't here for a bashing party I don't think) which is good. JP said he would deal with this today (what that means is anyone's guess
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Anonymous posted this at 14:48 — 25th February 2000.
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Hi Chad,
Actually the JP in my name stands for Jai Pachai which is my last name..nothing to do with the other JP.
. Probably not but ah well.
I'd like to congratulate Parker (again), I just found his first post where he said he had been "bugging" JP to be a little deceiving.
I also can understand why some of the members are "upset" because most of them put alot of hard work into this particular forum. Obviously JP can't make Everyone a moderator but I guess the feelings would be different if everyone who wanted to be a moderator felt like they had a chance just like Parker. Personally, I run a board on my website, and I dont even have time to check it everyday so I got some other people to do it for me.
Ok, what I am trying to say is, generally people feel left out when decisions like who becomes a new moderator are made without them or when they dont have a shot at the new position. True enough, it IS JP's board, but it wouldnt be what it is without the members.
I hope I explained myself well enough
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vy22 posted this at 14:49 — 25th February 2000.
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Sorry that is not correct Chad,
I Offered to Moderate for a selection of forums. General, Website critique and another one that I can't remember cause it was such a while I applied. I remember when I originally asked, oooh way back in september when I was a wee boy(ahh those were the days!) I waited about a few years and got an e-mail from JP asking basically if I was still interested and I said sure and that was the last of it.
Anyway I don't care who the Mods are as long as they do a good job and so far everyone has been cool! I understand why Parker said "YEAH!" Simple because he is happy that he is moderating such an ACE UBB. Anyway congratulations Parker
I think you should all give them man his dues and thank him for the good work!
~Vy~
Denmark 3 posted this at 19:56 — 25th February 2000.
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Thanks! Well I am off on vacation so I won't be able to post here until the weekend is over. Bye all!
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Justin S posted this at 22:31 — 25th February 2000.
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Ok, I know my following post may offend some people, but I will voice my opinion.
Here is my theory on more than 2 mods: if you moderator thinks a post may be done and he closes it, and another thinks the opposite, while the third has no clue, then there could be a lot of confusion. The topic could be opened/closed etc... Also- we have found no need to have an additional one.
Next, I don't feel that it's fair Parker got the job by "begging." I don't know this is true, but by what he says I believe it to be. No moderator should beg to get a position, and this brings me to my next point...
Finally, if it were my choice, I would have evaluated the candidates for a 3rd mod. I have nothing against Parker, and I think he's great. But he isn't an "expert" and doesn't have a website currently. So if it were me, I would have looked more...
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Anonymous posted this at 22:41 — 25th February 2000.
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RaviJP: That's cool. I was just being curious
I honestly didn't think it had anything to do with JP but I thought you might warship him or something.
Vy22: OK, no problem. I didn't know you e-mailed JP, but I thought I saw a post by you a while back recommending a new forum (and having you the moderator of it) and it getting voted down just because the forums are already to many. Must have been someone else.
Justin: That makes total sense. I hadn't thought of it but I can see where your point is very valid. I guess that if it does happen, it would have to be brought to the attention of one of the administrators (JP, Partrick, or myself). I don't really know but I do see your point.
I don't feel it would be fair that Parker got the "job" for just begging, but I don't think that was JP's reason for "hiring" him. I guess we will have to wait for JP's post before this gets cleared up.
Your third point is also valid. I don't know how many candidates JP had for the third moderator position, or anything about the selection because he made the decision, not me.
I am just trying to address the conerns and questions here until JP finalizes everything.
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dangelo posted this at 00:14 — 26th February 2000.
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Yeah Justin, I agree about the "Not having a web site" thing (the last sentence of your post above)
However, I don't think you have a web site, do you? I understand you are going through some server problems or something, but thats just an excuse. Parker just doesn't have a current web site because, well, she has nothing to do.
Maybe not having a web site is good, then she can focus all her attention to TWF
I do agree with you though, she shouldn't have gotten the position for begging, but she might not have gotten it that way. And if you did Parker, tisk tisk
I think the subject is pretty well beaten-in, and maybe should be closed? What do you think Moderators?
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Anonymous posted this at 00:59 — 26th February 2000.
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it is long, but really interesting!
and Chad, I cant worship someone I dont know
and even if I did know him I dont see why I would want to worship him?
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Anonymous posted this at 02:01 — 26th February 2000.
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LOL - I didn't think that was the case, but you never know
As for closing this thread, I tried to yesterday but JP said not to because he wanted to address it. I do think however that everything is solved hopefully and what people want to say has been said. JP plans to look at this and absorb every bit of information within. No need to close the thread but I do think it is a well beaten topic now
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Denmark 3 posted this at 03:37 — 26th February 2000.
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Justin: I did not beg for the position I don't know why I said that. Also why do you keep going on and on?
Dangelo: I am not a she! I am a he buddy get it right.
I think I have had enough of this. All this trouble over nothing.
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Justin S posted this at 04:00 — 26th February 2000.
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Ah! Thank you Chad! Someone understands
Anyway-
DANGELO: Yep, I have 4 websites in the works. One (Ineffable Designs) should be online tomorrow. The rest are done, but I'm waiting on various things to come through (merchant account, etc...).
PARKER: I don't keep going on and on...
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JP Stones posted this at 23:37 — 27th February 2000.
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OK, I think I should air my thoughts on this topic...it seems that there are many points to be addressed in this thread.
1/ Parker was invited on a moderator trial as he seemed very committed and as he had no website at the moment I thought he would add a different angle to the other two moderators...
Whether this proves to be the case still has to be seen.
2/ It is true that the forum did not 'need' another moderator. But taking the time to write several good reviews per day is demanding and as this is an unwritten rule to be moderator of this forum I thought 3 moderators would cope better with the ever increasing posts per day in here...
3/ VY, I have not forgotten about you, you are one of the3 moderators I am considering for new positions. I'm just sorry about the delay but I can not just give the positions away every 5 mins
4/Parker's outburst was slightly worrying for someone meant to be keeping the forums in order - he has appologised and hopefully it will not happen again. That said he was certainly provoked...
5/ I think Brooke sums up this thread perfectly.
Remember that there are people behind these words, behind these computers. And we all have feelings.
As moderators we should try and make the reviews as correct as possible but also as friendly as we can to make a members time at TWF as pleasant as possible.
6/ As John Pollock said it is a combination of the moderators and the members that make such a forum as successful as this one has become. And I would like to once again thank you for helping TWF move towards it's aim of 'helping other internet users for the good of the internet!'
7/ Finally, as for the pos problem with 3 moderators, please relate all problems to me and we will discuss how to solve them.
I think I have said enough for now
JP
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