A little Tinker!

Hi Flipper,

The site looks great.

Loads quickly.

Menu works fine in I.E 5.5

Menu works fine in NS 6.1 but the table cell surrounding the search facility is the dark green colour not the light green colour and I also get a slight horizontal scroll at 800x600.

Opera 6 does not display the menu at all and also has same slight horizontal scroll.

Hope that's some help

Hi bertiek,

The reason for the slight scroll is so the page doesn't look so bad in larger resolutions. If you switch to full screen mode in 800 x 600 it gets rid of the scroll...

Not working in Opera? Hmmm...The script is supposed to work in all browsers, well thats what it said on the packet anyway! Its a little odd as as far as I know Opera is based on IE?? Correct me if i'm wrong!

No, Opera isn't based on IE. It's entirely it's own browser ("the rebel browser!"). It's supposed to support standards and encourages developers to use them (you can send a page to the w3c for validation from the right-click menu!) but as far as how it handles dHTML I'm not sure.

You haven't really changed much from the earlier design. I do like the new, lighter look though. The old one seemed a little too heavy. That bright red for links still needs to go (and I'm seeing default blue in opera). The blue looks better.

I also think that the top header area looks too fuzzy and that collection of weird shapes looks really odd. Another problem is that the logo font is rather dull and boring. With a name like "Webmaster Edge" I would go with a much more edgy look - something a little more striking with crisp edges and angles.

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I also think that the top header area looks too fuzzy and that collection of weird shapes looks really odd. Another problem is that the logo font is rather dull and boring. With a name like "Webmaster Edge" I would go with a much more edgy look - something a little more striking with crisp edges and angles.

The logo was designed by Keegan (remember him - doesn't seem too active these days ) as I have about as much artistic talent as a color blind hippo!!

I've tried designing various logos but to be honest they just look crap! My problem is I'm not artistic and I haven't a clue how to use design programs, my one big failing really...This explains the lack of graphics in the site!

I think it looks good Flipper. I am not crazy about the gray color on mouse over that you have for the menu. Just a preference.

Is that the menu written by Ger Versluis? I thought I recogized some of the code. If it is, I am using that menu on one of my clients sites and got awful reviews on it about it not being cross browser.

I remember the old look that you had. It was nice. This one is good too but I think you need something on the left side or either blockquote the paragraphs so that they don't seem so "strung out" across the page.

Other than those things.....I like.

Yes the menu is by Ger but you're scaring me now about the non-compatibility!!

I've tried it as many browsers as I can and it seems OK, apart from Opera , so I think I'll go along with it...

It may be me being thick (probably ) but what do you mean by blockquote?

I think if you want to compare Opera to another browser it would probably be closer to NS but at the same tie totaly different.

I have 4 browsers (NS4.7, NS6, IE5 and Opera6) and have 4 different looks

NS4.7 - the links are green (slime green) and are very hard to read on the very bottom link line, the line itself is only the font size which looks like -2, the "Welcome to WebmasterEdge.com - The Webmaster Directory " is italic and bold, but not a heading like the other browsers, also looks like a spacer or something isnt there for your drop down menu. the search our index bit has a large black border around it where the others have the site banner b/g. no scroll bar at 800x600. the black line around the sections dont show either. the actual sign in form isnt displayed

NS6 - pretty much the same as NS4.7 except the sign in form input bit is there, the linsk are blue, the links under "design","programing" and "site tools" arent under the line, the left sections all start beside it. a slight scroll bar and the black box lines dont display

IE5 - the links are red, has a very slight horz scroll bar at 800x600 and everything lines up works good.

Opera6 - the links are blue (default maybe or darker), as mentioned the drop down menu doesnt show up. and also has a slight scroll bar at 800x600

Busy I hate you!!

Just kidding mate! I wanted cross-browser testing and I certainly got it! Sounds like I have a lot of work ahead of me!!

I know this is not the right thing to say but 95% of my viewers use IE (only 0.1% use Opera) so is there much point in setting compatibility problems high on my to do list?

I'd probably say at least get it working for NS, but since Opera is so close to NS may as well go for broke, and being a web masters site would look better.

I dont have the page infront of me, but check your link colors, are they from the 256 RGB safe colors (dont use color word names either)
also the cells with programming, etc that the words wrap on, just add a after the dividing line
make sure your using tags around your form (for NS)
and if you really want the black box lines around your bits use another table around them (two each)and use the outer one with black b/g and play with cell padding and spacing to get the desired results (cellspacing=1 on outer, and cellpadding=1 on inner usually works well, dont use bordercolor)

its only minor things so shouldnt be a major

You can use the blockquote tag to indent paragraphs BUT.... I was just reading up on the tag and it is recommended not to use the blockquote tag just to indent. It is suppossed to be used for paragraphs or text that have been quoted. BUT...some sources say that it ok to use it to indent and other say not to. Guess it depends on how strict you want to be with your code.

Here is what you do:

paragraph here

The blockquote tags will indent the paragraph on the left and right. Kinda squeezing it in. It beats the heck out of messing with tables to indent in my opinion. There are also some browser compatability issues using this too which I wasn't aware of until tonight. Boy, I learn something new every day.

Now on Dreamweaver, there is an "Indent Text" selection and it places blockquote tags for you so it must not be too big of a "No-No" to use it for this.

Do a search on it if you want to find out more.

hey Phil - looks real good t' mme! - I'll see if I can offer any suggested copyedits:

"First time user?" - I'd probably hyphenate "first time" - you wouldn't wanna argue with the IRS, would ya? :eek:

"Check our About Our Site section" - I'd look to get rid of an "our" - maybe "Learn about our site..." or "Find out..."?

"One of the most powerful and configurable Windows syntax checkers available today!

"a biography of your site in this area" - is "bio" the term you want here?

close the quote around "No, thanks,"

"a YEAR'S free advertising"

(worth $360.)

"and on a strictly first-come, first-served basis."?

"I am pleased to announce that our Advertising and Promotion packages are now available for use!!

"from a miserly $5.00 per month" - I dunno about this - you could get away with it, but I might try "very affordable" or "inexpensive" with "at a"

"one, low monthly price!" - somethin' tells mme to leave that comma out - dunno; should

" There is no one"

"Couple of other pieces of news," - somethin' other than a comma? - a colon?

"directing [delete]to[/delete] your visitors to us."

"Anyone who would like to design a banner or button for us will receive" - this is REAL picking of nits but..., this implies receipt simply for "wanting to" - maybe "Anyone who designs..."?

"Send your submissions to myself, I will select the very best and be in touch!" - technically, this is a "comma splice" - the book says ya need a semicolon/period or else maybe use "and" or somethin' - also "myself" is kinda awkward - should be "me" I guess

"since our conception, three short months ago" - I think ya gotta get rid 'a that comma

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I looked at yer code :eek: :

in the "main" TABLE, ya have "cellaspcing="0"

the TR of links across the bottom has width="100%" - an unsupported attribute for rows - may be inconsequential

in addition to those FORM tags, ya want NAME attributes fer yer INPUTs

darn it! I'm gonna have to get a new set of fingers to type with!

Thanx for the input everyone...anymore for anymore?

Quote: I have about as much artistic talent as a color blind hippo!!

as a member of ASPAM (Artistic Society of Protanomalistic Aquatic Mammals), I believe you should reflect on your possible prejudice in this area :santa:

LOL

Any offence caused to visually challenged animals or their supporters is unintended. I apoligise in advance to the said Hippo!

straight from the river horse's mouth

I have also been looking for a similar menu system that is "ALL Browser compatable", but have been unable to find any

Anyone know of anything ?

Mika

hey - we have a semi-aquatic creature in our town that might be able t' help - check out the cascading menus on this page - discussed in this thread - don't hesitate to contact jopie for help :ducky:

I'm not too keen on the whole whitespace issue on the right of my screen. I guess there could be alot worse things to worry about, eh? Fantastic looking site otherwise.

PUNKK

sorry - the Duck's demos are notoriously stark - ya need to click on "cascading" and then on one of the pages

hi, me a newbie here...

the top menu's sections are not that evenly spaced out, such that 'resources' is nearer to 'submit' than 'home'...wonder if that can be modified...

other than that, the site looks really great!

Thnx for all the comments,

mmi - thanx for the link, just not too keen on it I'm afraid

punkk - The whitespace is caused cos the table is fixed at 750 pixels to stop it spreading too much on those lucky beggars with 27" monitors!!

Project CN - Didn't notice that easily rectified though...

Any more?

I know you are gonna hate this flipper but I went to your original site the other day looking for something and I think it looks fine as it. It is easy to navigate, you don't have to wait on the DHTML script to load and it looks more organized and put together than the one you are testing now.
Sorry to throw the curve ball but I am female and you know that we are always changing our minds.

Gee thanks DM

The main eason why I was looking at a re-design is that I felt the centre was too truncated with info. In addition, I felt that I was rapidly gaining more links on the left index than was necessary as the no. of categories grew.

Looking round other directory sites, I found that the majority do not employ the original design I chose so I felt an overhaul was needed!

If anyone has any better ideas I'd be more than happy to hear them!