It's finally done :D
Hi guys,
Well after all the hurdles I had to jump over to get my site XHTML certified, and all the lovely people who helped me get it this far, Jeeves, Busy, demonhale, daveboy, GDVS, Megan, I feel pretty proud today.
I uploaded my site and got a few PPCs, and sold a few more today.
But, as I checked my statcounter logs, it seems many people went to my site (57 of them) for less than 5 seconds.. (
There must be something wrong, or these people are just trying to use up all my money. Or someone is behind a proxy and has something against me ..
Anyway, here it is, it's not exactly XHTML verified anymore because I have still got a problem with the flash that GDVS is trying to work out for me. And it will be soon, so don't worry about the logo at the bottom (if yo ueven get that far )
Please, if you say make it smaller, express why. I really need each and every word on there for people who are actually interested. If you are not interested in this sort of thing, then don't make a comment about making it smaller please, but if you are, then by all means, tell me what I should cut out to make it smaller.
I have made another attempt at this site, and cut it in half basically. SO be gentel.
Megan posted this at 13:44 — 13th April 2006.
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The first problem is that this really does not look very professional. If I was looking for a business service I would leave this site right away becauase it doesn't convey a businesslike image. I wouldn't trust anything offered here. The black background is not a good idea for a site like this, keep it nice and light and keep the graphics in a conservative style. That header graphic reminds me of the X Files, which is clearly not appropriate for a business site.
The second problem is that there isn't any clear information about what the site offers above the fold. You have to scroll down and read a bunch of boring text. The bit under the header text is hard to read because it's centered and might actually be assumed to be irrelevant. I think that could be explained a lot more clearly anyway. Maybe a bulleted list with check marks as bullets would be better for that.
The third problem is that this isn't really a site, it's one long page with all sorts of infomration on it. Make separate pages with the key information and a navigation bar to get people around the site.
Congrats on (almost) getting it to validate!
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DSSR posted this at 14:25 — 13th April 2006.
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Hmmm, It's not a business service, it's just a list for a one time payment. I moved 2 pages off the main page into links within the content, into their own pages to cut the site down, and moved about half of it into a letter once you buy the list. Because in my original, I told them everything, pro, cons, how to work it etc. And it was twice as long .
All the info on this page can't be moved to links, because it's all relevant and I'm thinking how a person would read a site and what they would like to know next. Like reading a story or learning something like a secret. I'm actually telling you what the secret is, I can't see myself cutting out a story just to make it smaller?
If you were interested coming from a search engine with say a keyword of "wholesale sources" you obviously know what you want, those are the people I am targeting, a niche if you would.
My first attempt took 5 weeks for me to get 212 sales. And this site, I only uploaded a couple days ago and have already converted 54 out of 157 visitors. I'm thinking this is actually a good ratio considering the amount of visitors.
I'm not too sure what to do now, since I know you are right, but I don't know any other way to do my site or word it as fast as possible, while being truthful and trying to cover all major things people need to know about this way of business, in as little space as possible wihtout gettin gemails back after they've paid saying "well why didn't you say this to me before" sort of thing.
I tried black for two reasons, because most people browsing the internet browse after work, at night mainly, and helps the eyes. And two, because I thought black would go well with the "Secret" thing?.
I didn't want nav, because I really only have one thing to sell, a "drop shipping list", there isn't any other information I can think of that needs to take a person from reading to another page.
What do you truley think of my site? It doesn't have to be perfect, because there is no perfect when someone spends money. Only the content is relevant to me when I buy, and it depends what I'm looking for.
And thanks, I am still trying to get it done, but I think GDVS has left me now ..have to learn it all over again . Soon I will even learn CSS and get that valid too.
I appreciate your feedback megan, gives me something to think about.
demonhale posted this at 15:55 — 13th April 2006.
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congrats on your site!
steve40 posted this at 18:21 — 13th April 2006.
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Biggest problem I see with this page it's ------------------------------- TO LOOOOOOOOOOOOONg.
DSSR posted this at 19:34 — 13th April 2006.
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Thanks demon, coudlnt have done it without you mate(well not true, but you know what I mean.) I thought I hit the jackpot with this site, but I guess that's why this forum is here, to tell people like me I'm a dumbarse lol....
It's going to take me some time to figure out a way to word the content without geting back feedback once someone buys. Give me a few months, I'll be back ,
Thanks guys.
1. make it lighter.
2. make it more professional? Dont know how since this is my first attempt at a website. tell me a bit more about this.
3. cut the content down more.
Do you think full flash is worth it, or valid XHTML? Think I could get away with just a flash intro containing everything so you dont have to scroll? Or is it the time you have to spend reading it?
Is it really a problem if my site answers your questions? or is it just too long because you dont care about what the content is saying and that you are too lazy to actually review my site and what it is actually about? lol.. I need to know, because I make money here, I'm not going to change anything if you havent read what its about. If you glimps at it, your review doesnt mean anything. So dont bother telling me what you think about length, if you havent read at least the first sentence.
I know it's a bit long, but it's needed if you really want to start this business. I'm not going to sell you something in 3 lines, then say buy it now, and Ill tell you the cons later.... Like most scam sites "I make this much blah blah, give me 100 bucks, and Ill tell you how I did it" sort of thing. yer right...sure we all been there before.
Here, I am telling you what it is, and how it works before you even pay me anything. Is a big risk to me, but a good way of telling my customers that I am telling you the truth and everything involved before you spend money.
The paypal buttons down the bottom, dont be affraid to click it.
Dont forget the NO TIME LIMIT MONEY BACK GUARANTEE NOW!!!
71 conversions, 266 pageloads 200 bucks spent on two campaings..CPC and PPC..
$2839 US minus 200 = $2639 Profit ...In two days.. + I sold an Xbox360 at ebay for $1200, made $400 US Today.
Looks like that donations coming soon eh?
steve40 posted this at 19:41 — 13th April 2006.
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I said it was to long because: everybody on the internet is lazy. If they have to hit their scroll button more than 3 times, they will just leave your page. Sad but true.
Honestly! if you could figure out how to combine it into two pages, it would be better for you.
DSSR posted this at 19:50 — 13th April 2006.
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yeha, it is sad, but Im pretty happy with the performance so far.
I am thinking, and have been thinking hard for about 5 months now, how to make it smaller.. DuDE, you shouldve seen my site months ago, it was like twice as long as this ...hahahahah....
Thanks again..
steve40 posted this at 19:56 — 13th April 2006.
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I know sometimes it's hard to keep pages short. I have a rather long one too. But it has alphabetical on page references to navigate the page, it's a dictionary so it was hard to keep it short also.
I'm not trying to be hard on you, just giving you some input on what I have learned from 5 years on the internet, building sites.
DSSR posted this at 20:02 — 13th April 2006.
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I wouldn't know, it's my first time making a site really .. but it is hard to try and be honest about a secret like this, and then have it worded so short. That's the problem I'm having.
Dictionary? Maybe you can pick out my spelling mistakes and grammatical errors..I'm really bad at english...my native language , hahaha
steve40 posted this at 20:08 — 13th April 2006.
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It's a photography terms dictionary. I am not the greatest at spelling either, I use an on the fly spell checker when I am doing pages. It's called Tiny Spell, you might try it it's free. It has certainly saved me a lot of time.
DSSR posted this at 20:11 — 13th April 2006.
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haha, yeah, I use outlook express for spelling , but I dont know grammer... I think GDVS would be good at this... Hey, I sent you an email..check it please.
demonhale posted this at 05:58 — 14th April 2006.
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I promised you a review, Ill give it in outline form so that youll see my point of view, you can choose if its appropriate or not...
-first as I told you its too dark, you must make the visitor feel welcomed on a site like these and more contemporary, the look gives me the feel of a rock band or gaming site...
-you have clashing text colors when emphasizing a line, use bold, italics or underline instead... if you must choose a color, just use 1 that compliments the site theme...
- page should be divided into subpages, make use of the "Click here for more" or "next page" link as an effective way to indulge them to read more... make the link prominent...
- if flash isnt that necessary, remove it... it slows much of the page down... if you want some kind of short animation, use gif instead...
- a color scheme and reorganization of content is your next step...
Thats about it for now...
DSSR posted this at 06:29 — 14th April 2006.
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1. Working on that.
2. I tried to bring red as bad and green as good. As you read on, I wanted the reader to know soon as they seen red it was something bad. If I used white or a lighter backround colour, I would've just gone for bold, and a bigger size and Italics, but colours seem to go good with black.
3. I don't like doing that on pages myself. But I'll test it out.
4. Well, it's not really, it's just that I can't get the matrix backround and text on top in a gif. I'm not too good in photoshop and imageready. I can make the text, but the matrix backround I can't work out how to get it underneath moving text, while making it running code. (animated) I just thought it would catch the eyes, and I didn't want to use the same old boring satisfaction guaranteed" symbol everyone else uses.
5. I didn't think I needed one since I didn't have a nav bar, or anything else around. I thought my banners colour and the borders aroud them would be enough.
Some ideas are really getting me confused because If I can't use flash, then I can't make a full flash site, and that's the only way I think I can make a profeassional looking site in a couple days. I have too much to do and not enough time left to work on the computer. I'm not a professional to start, I can't programme HTML or XHTML without using something like dreamweaver or frontpage.
Thanks demonhale I think I better get the pen and paper out again.
demonhale posted this at 06:58 — 14th April 2006.
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the good news, is since you started out with some validation, you can edit everything easier... but at least sort the page length and bg color first... I thing it would look better after that...
Nameslot posted this at 08:33 — 15th April 2006.
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very long page and I don;t know but Black looks umm... not good to me. make the flag images smaller.
Busy posted this at 00:45 — 16th April 2006.
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Word (microsoft) can be good for spelling and grammer, just be sure to set it to your countrys English (American is different to England's as is how we do it downunder).
For some reason your page isn't loading for me, I'll try again later
krash posted this at 19:45 — 16th April 2006.
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I for one like your site. I believe what you were aiming for was to inform about dropshippers. Mission accomplished. When you are in the business of selling on ebay or other auction sites you want to cut through the BS and get to how am I going to make money. I think you nailed it and gave the information that a first timer would be looking for. Good work!
Krash
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ablaye posted this at 03:28 — 17th April 2006.
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I hate the black background. The site does not look professional. Everything is in just one row and the mainpage is very long. You might try to have several rows and break the info that way. The mainpage won't be that long anymore.
DSSR posted this at 12:50 — 21st April 2006.
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Thanks krash ....you HATE!!!!! the black background eh , just hate it, its so hateful eh ..hahahaha
krash posted this at 12:53 — 21st April 2006.
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Nope I dont hate the black background...I like black it goes with anything!
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DSSR posted this at 23:21 — 21st April 2006.
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Oh I was talking about ablaye ....thats why i had the periods there .........I guess I shouldve said his name then first eh..
DSSR posted this at 23:33 — 21st April 2006.
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What the hell do you make of this email I got... Ive had it in a letter before, now I got an email.
[code]
EMAIL WINNING AWARD NOTIFICATION
EUROMILLIONES ESPAÑOL S.L.
Av. Comunidad de Madrid,
37-41, Las Rozas
28008 Madrid,
España.
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You have therefore been approved to claim a total sum of EUR ? 1,107,020.12. (One Million, One Hundred And Seven Thousand, Twenty Euros. Twelve Cents) in cash credited to [deleted]
All participants for the online version were selected randomly from World Wide Web sites through computer draw system and extracted from over 100,000 unions,associations, and corporate bodies that are listed online.
In view of this, your EUR ? 1,107,020.12. (One Million, One Hundred And Seven Thousand, Twenty Euros. Twelve Cents) would be process for claim to you by our registered affiliated claims agents for non-resident winners, sole representative in asisting you to file and claim your winning fund.
Our European registered agent which covers your geographica location will immediately commence the process to facilitate the release of your funds as soon as your contact is receive by them. For security reasons, you are advised to keep your winning information confidential until your claim is processed and your money remitted to you. This is part of our precautionary measure to avoid double claiming and unwarranted abuse of this program, any bridge of confidentiality on the part of winner will lead to disqualification, please be warned.
To file your claim, please contact our registered affiliated claims agent:
Remember to quote your reference and batch numbers in all correspondence with your claim agent.
Once again congratulations from all our members and staff of EUROMILLIONES ESPAÑOL S.L.
Best regards,
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Promotion Director.
Busy posted this at 10:30 — 22nd April 2006.
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That email is a nigerian scam, note the bad spelling and grammer.
What ever you do, do NOT give them your bank account details or send any money.
here a site you can find more of these types of things to watch out for
http://fraudaid.com/ScamSpam/Lottery/lottery_scam_names_02.htm
as you can see there are a lot, and thats just the lottery ones. The dead king who left millions and requires a depoist of good faith is a better scam although getting old now.
This page is also one to read
http://www.fraudaid.com/ScamSpam/Lottery/index.htm
lots of details on what they are, what they do and how to prevent it
locatepeople posted this at 12:58 — 22nd April 2006.
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the black is bad for glare during the day, alothough if you think your visitors are coming on at night as you said then okay.
As for the logo, missing the top of the letters makes it difficult to read.
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DSSR posted this at 01:51 — 23rd April 2006.
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Oh serious (...hahahaha, I was hopig maybe this is real .....Yeah, if they ask for money to release it, then they can suck my left ball ..tx Busy..
tx locate...I am still in the process of looking for a colour that suits both day and not too hard on the eyes at night.. And Ive cut it down, and added subpages for products. See how it is then.
All comments were appreciated.
demonhale posted this at 02:38 — 23rd April 2006.
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hmmm... pastels could work wonders...
*EDIT elaborate
Try pastel colors or lighter shades on your BG, many else including me have commented on the black background that dont work for this type of site, the easiest I can suggest is to use a lighter shades maybe grey or light blue, also lighter colors help in the readability of your site, since visitors will need to read a lot on your site... to be sure you can try and get a screenshot first of your site by pressing PrtSc on your keyboard, then paste it to your favorite image editing program, use a floodfill type tool, then choose a color and floodfill the BG with the new color to see a preview of how your site will look with a new BG, if youre satisfied, use a colorpicker or see the value of the BG youve chosen on the preview and apply it to the site...
surg posted this at 20:27 — 26th April 2006.
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yea good work
Blizzy posted this at 05:40 — 27th April 2006.
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I remember reading a book on webpage design. It said to limit your pages to "three or less scrolls."
DSSR posted this at 07:39 — 27th April 2006.
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Heh, you read my mind demon, I was going to go with cascades them of blue, its sort of greyish bluish, not too bright, and not too dark..Thanks for the info mate. After I beat my nephew at monopoly, I will start it again.
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