dreaded menu

Looks cool and works fine with IE 5.5!

The only comment I would have made is that the overlap when you go into a sub-menu cuts in too much on the previous menu when it pops up...I would move it about 15 pixels to the right...ish

Done! Thanks flipper. I guess I was so excited about just getting the darn thing to work I didn't notice that the child menus were overlapping the text so much.

DM

It worked fine for me in IE5.5 still not sure if I like it though!

What happened to the new logo?

yeah, it works in IE5.5

It seems to me that you posted an alternative recently that really nailed it. What happened to that one?

That one was a lot better- what happened?

Menus working fine here in NS 6.1

I think its a big site, and you definitely have done a good job at displaying their information clearly.

Some things (EYE) would change, which actually is part of the critique.

First I would center the table. If not ad an accent bg, something simple.

On the logo I would change the red LLC to the blue from the other parts of the site (dark blue)

I would then clean up that image, at first glance it looks like a "toy site" if you know what I mean, WOK WOK!

Get rid of the bone white area of the image like this.
http://www.kilclinefuneralhome.com/wf_posts/fire1.jpg
I personally would not use that red, but then that may be the logo's requirements.

I was going to tear up the bg color of the menu but then I realized that it actually looks good. Good solid primary colors fit the content on this site, so ya got me there.

I really would try to focus the images better, the sprayed out angles really do destroy the seriousness of the content.

Keep the lines straight, or at least a direct tangent, no radius curves and you match the mood and the content quite well.

It is a work in progress, you know it, and we know it. As you continue with the site you might find that it just change subtely, in other words I think you are very close to defining the layout's overall presentation.

K

I give you 4 yorkies

ya lost a yorkie because it is not done but it is waiting for you

I know you don't like it. LOL Not many do. I have tried so hard to urge my client to let me do something else but ya know, he just gets all excited about that pop out stuff. :jump:

New logo...HMMM. Well, client wants to keep the one we have. It is so boring to me but.....what do you do.

I did the montage thing if you remember and he didn't like that either. Wants it just like it is. I got a lot of good comments on the montage and really hated to part with it.

Now he wants the home page changed and somehow use the little pictures that I had used for the montage but it looks like crap with that logo no matter how you do it. The information on the home page about the client will be moved to an "About" page which will leave only the first paragraph and the little pictures.

I have included a link to a screen shot of the little pictures and text that he wants on the home page. Noting is arranged in any particular order...it is just smacked on there. Forgive the image quality. I reduced it so that it wouldn't take eons to load.

Any ideas on what I could do with this page??? I have moved pictures, arranged them this this way and that way until I feel like a U-Haul truck.

http://www.ettfire.com/screenshot.html
http://www.ettfire.com

DM

I feel for you d-m!

I know what it is like on that gruelling path from "perfection" to "whatever it is the @#$! client wants"

chin up

The combination of those bouncing green faces, and you writing

Quote: he just gets all excited about that pop out stuff.

It gave me the funny giggles.

Just hit me funny LOL.

K

I have the screen shot loaded, I did a promotional spot for a hot rod show in Sacramento one time and part of that has given me an idea for the montage.

gimme some time.

Keegan,

As for centering the table....it looked better to me and was a lot easier to work with that many pages with it to the left because of the absolute positioned menu.

I don't feel it needs a background...just my opinion. I am not a fan of backgrounds.

I agree with the bone white of the image. Will work on that.
Logo stays. There is no budging here. When you say "Clean up the image" you are referring to the hydrants???? This image will probably be ditched anyway. I have discussed the "roundness" of the images and that they would look better with straight edges. Agree??

I caught a lot of slack about the menu color on my first post of this site. But it is staying too.

Who's next?

DM

I definitely think the images should be straight.

For me centering the table is easier, but then I set cells to not move on most of my sites. (Except maybe a main page, greatjames.com but with sites like this its actually easier for me to center.

When I said bg I meant something very simple.

You could box in the right side without using a table with a very small bg.

Like this.

http://www.kilclinefuneralhome.com/wf_posts/ett1.jpgs are too small to do what I wanted to do.

This is what I was thinking ok when I posted.

http://www.kilclinefuneralhome.com/wf_posts/ap.jpg

K

Thanks keegan but that doesn't exactly work for me. This one will take some thought on my part and lots of experimenting. You are gonna wear out your mouse making all the graphics for people. HAHA!!

Thanks again.

I still haven't heard from NS4 and below crew or the Mac gang. And Opera hasn't shown her face either.

YOOOO!!! HOOOOO!!!

Where are you non-IE loving group of people at?? Just kidding. I need your feedback on the menu.......DOES THIS ONE WORK????

DM

I just tested it with IE6 and Nutscrape 4.7.

IE6 - worked perfectly

Nutscrape 4.7 - Menu doesn't show up at all. Here's the JS error it produces:

------------------
line 92:

P_Doc.layers[MPntr.TgLoc] has no properties in popmenu_com.js.

------------------

I just tried Opera 5.02. The menu does NOT show up and it produces no errors.

sorry..

Thanks Tmay. Any idea on what I could do to fix this? The first version that I had of this menu worked in NS 4.7 beautifully. HMMMM....%$@#%$^*%@#*&#&

No idea without looking at it. Even then, no promises.

Can you email me the JS file? Or just post the code?

I'll have to e mail it. Forum won't let me post because the code was turned into a bunch of smilies and frownies. i will send it via e mail.

I just wrote you back. That's too advanced for me. I'll stick to Perl.

sorry, I couldn't help.

Go to Dynamic Drive and see what they got. That really is just a basic looking menu (you wouldn't think so by looking at the code), DD might have something there that you can use.

ok thanks anyway tmay. I originally got the menu at DD. It is supossed to be one of the best from what they say.

If you run across one similar will you post it here. Off to DD!!

Cya
DM

Is this the one you're using now?

http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex1/hvmenu/index.htm

If not, that looks do-able.

Yes, that is it or it was. I went to his homepage the other day and saw that he had upgraded the one that is on DD. The old one worked in NS 4.7. I changed the whole site to the new one and boy was it a bitch.

I just looked through all of DD and that script looks like the best one. I'd email the guy who wrote it and link him to this thread to see all the problems with it.

Seriously, I'd email him and see what he says. He's advertising it to work in all browsers, so he should be told that it doesn't.

Any advanced JS'ers out there that want to tackle this?

I e mailed him already. Told him of the error that you got with line 92 and that it wasn't working in NS4.7 but the old one did. There is one thing better about the upgrade. You have more control over the child menu positioning. On the old one if you have a large list on the 2nd or 3rd level the ones at the top wouldn't be visible at all. With this new one the lower levels adjust themselves to the screen. This really is a good menu to me but it does have many little bugs. I am not a programmer or what ever you call you educated ones but I think the menu has promise.

If only I could find the code to the one that microsoft uses. They have one very similar on some of their pages. But their code base was too complicated for me to even think about jumping into.

BTW...I like your avatar. We have some nice looking guys here. I especially like Peters bald head though and his Marlon Brando look. (just had to throw that one in for the heck of it)

DM

Ever been to Reno??!

Well, best of luck. I hope you get it working.

And what have you got against mice?...see avatar...

No navigation bar in Opera 5, and the second image (water shuttle) doesn't appear either.

Seems that the text links at the foot of the page are inactive (IE and Opera).

For me, I wouldn't have the navigation in a blue 'box'. I think blue text links would look better.

My two-pennorth - nice, clean site. Congratulations!

Looks great, You know about Netscape 4.7, I dont get a error, just get "Your browser does not support script" works fine in IE 5.0.

are the links at the bottom of the page (when linked) going to be a different color or bold?

like your under construction page lol, run turtle, run ... hehe

Phil says:

Quote: And what have you got against mice?...see avatar...

I like your mouse Phil. Please don't feel left out. He is cute too.

BOF says:

Quote: No navigation bar in Opera 5, and the second image (water shuttle) doesn't appear either.

Seems that the text links at the foot of the page are inactive (IE and Opera).

For me, I wouldn't have the navigation in a blue 'box'. I think blue text links would look better.

It doesn't work in Opera because Opera doesn't recognize DHTML. I will have to check the water shuttle picture. Maybe a code error if the others are showing up. Going to fix text links at bottom now. Forgot to link them when re-doing the menu. As for the blue 'box' it is staying that color per client request. Speaking of blue text links for the nav. I had this menu here set up and the client didn't like it. http://www.cirkadia.com/iNavigateNew.html It was a masterpiece. LOL Oh well, can't win em all. Thanks for the critique.

Busy said:

Quote: are the links at the bottom of the page (when linked) going to be a different color or bold?

like your under construction page lol, run turtle, run ... hehe

Yes, links will be a different color. Thought I would just use the standard red, blue and purple for these. Glad you like my under constrution page. I thought it was kinda cute.

Thanks everybody!
DM

Ever think of putting the logo and the left navbar in frames? I normally don't like frames myself but i think it would work well on this site with the nice clean layout.

Just my 2 cents...

Lukster
:gandalf:

I have been working on a similar menu from dhtmlcentral.com. This is just a test menu to see if it is worth me wasting my time changing it again for the site that I am working on.

I need browser info and do you guys think it works better than the one I already have?

Links don't work. Just a test menu.

Test menu--> http://www.virtualgraphiti.net/menu2.html

Old menu here--> http://www.ettfire.com

Thanks
DM

I tried it in netscape 3 < LOL, havent finished downloading 4 and 6.

It didnt work in 3 heehehe who cares though eh?

The new one works in NN 4.72 but it is slow (in both browsers). Do you have any control over the scroll speed?

ettfire.com won't load at all in Netscape. For some reason, it keeps defaulting to ettfire.css and returning a 404.

Works fine in IE5.5 but that's not surprising!! I like that one better I think

I forgot to mention that it works beutifully in IE6
Very fast and smooth.

K

Neither menu is visible in Opera 5.0 As I said before, I only keep Opera for checking - not overly impressed by it.

Neither of them worked for me in NS4.6 (Mac).

DM, I thought you had one that "degraded gracefully" and at least the links showed up and worked in NS? Now your ett page doesn't even display any menu in NS at all.

In IE4.0 your ett menu works but it's at the very top left of the page and it overlaps the logo.

Ok DM I tested this page (http://www.ettfire.com/) in IE6 and Netscape 6.1

Both see the menu just find and it works but something interesting.

The Internet Explorer menu works about 50 percent faster than viewing it in Netscape 6.1

IE is zippy with the menu Netscape seems to drag.

K

Thanks all, I hope you guys will stick this one out with me. I will continue to work on it until I can get this menu working in as many browsers as possible. It is what the client wants.

Taff said:

Quote: The new one works in NN 4.72 but it is slow (in both browsers). Do you have any control over the scroll speed?

ettfire.com won't load at all in Netscape. For some reason, it keeps defaulting to ettfire.css and returning a 404.

It was documented in the instructions that it would be slow in NS. I will turn off the scroll (or roll out effect) and see if that speeds it up in NS.
The 404 problem should be fixed. I was experimenting with using a style sheet on this site and forgot to remove some of the code.

Gizmoid said:

Quote: DM, I thought you had one that "degraded gracefully" and at least the links showed up and worked in NS? Now your ett page doesn't even display any menu in NS at all.

In IE4.0 your ett menu works but it's at the very top left of the page and it overlaps the logo.

The menu that "degraded gracefully" was the iNavigate menu from here: http://www.cirkadia.com/iNavigateNew.html
Client didn't like it.
I have some positioning problems going on here with the old one. Relative or absolute....which way do I go, which way do I go. ARG! Will work on this today.

Test menu--> http://www.virtualgraphiti.net/menu2.html

Old menu here--> http://www.ettfire.com

DM

Would someone take a look at two tables that I have on this page and see if there is a better way to lay these out? They list operational procedures and both have numbered items in them. I was unable to do ordered lists because they are in two different cells. So I just numbered them manually and they look like crap.

http://www.ettfire.com/ponds_tanks.html

DM

you can start your list at any number

, which starts at 6 ...

hope this helps

Looks like Busy was a victim of message board html. Add a "start" to your list tag like so:

[ol start="4"]

hehehehe....Thanks Taff. I was really beginning to feel stupid becuase of the way she so "matter of factly" put her answer and was secretly pretending not to see it until someone else spoke up.

LOL@busy

She, she?

OMG that one time I was so drunk and ended up in a dress is coming back to haunt me lol

for the record, Busy is a he, a him, a male, a Mr, a guy ....

sorry I didnt realise the html code didnt work (usually does), I'll keep in mind to check it before I post it next time.

Please forgive me busy. I see that you are a proud male and that she, she, she thing cut right down to the heart of your manhood. That is what happens when you (I) ASSUME. Oh and you might not want to wear anymore dresses while intoxicated.

Don't take it personally. I am going to your profile now and get to know you a little better.

DM

I thought it was funny, I wont hold it against you.
dont' worry about me wearing any more dresses while intoxicated, I gave up drinking.

"... and get to know you a little better ..."

ummm should I expect you for dinner lol

Sure I will just hop on the next plane to NZ. hehehehe

Quote: Originally posted by disaster-master
Thanks all, I hope you guys will stick this one out with me. I will continue to work on it until I can get this menu working in as many browsers as possible. It is what the client wants.

The menu that "degraded gracefully" was the iNavigate menu from here...
Client didn't like it.

First you say the client wants it to work in as many browsers as possible (no mean feat), then you get one that works and they say they don't like it and now you are back to trying ones that don't work at all in v.4 browsers?

Frankly, your client sounds like a real patoot. I've given you a lot of feedback on v4 browsers and Mac compatibility, but sorry, but I'm giving up on this (seemingly lost) cause.