problem 2. You are using flash for something that could be done much better with HTML. flash for the sake of it is pointless.
Also... the design is a bit bland and you are using a mixture of styles, ultra modern eurostyle type font combined with old fashioned times new roman. Settle on a theme and stick to it. Also, what is the relevency of the pictures?
Andy
JeevesBond posted this at 12:33 — 3rd February 2005.
Bah, I just got a nasty frameset and a "Click here to download plugin" I'm not a lover of Flash-dependant sites so will abstain from downloading the plugin and doing a review - it would be biased against the site from the start
JeevesBond wrote: Bah, I just got a nasty frameset and a "Click here to download plugin" I'm not a lover of Flash-dependant sites so will abstain from downloading the plugin and doing a review - it would be biased against the site from the start
I live in Salisbury
openmind posted this at 15:57 — 3rd February 2005.
OK, I did it in flash becuase it's easier.
I'll do what you said about the fonts
Relevance of pictures is that they look nice.
Frameset:- you've lost me there!
openmind posted this at 19:48 — 3rd February 2005.
heebiejeebieclu wrote: The above practicallly mean the same thing. The job is good with us.
Not at all. The first interpretation suggests that you perform web design work for people who need it. The second interpretation suggests that you have web design work the needs to be done, and you are looking to offer this to other web designers. That's a massive fluctuation in target audience.
openmind posted this at 20:12 — 4th February 2005.
Ok. Well, I mean the first one.
As for the framset, it doesn't make a massive lot of difference to my site does it? I'm beginning to dislike openmind for his sarcasm.
openmind posted this at 17:22 — 5th February 2005.
heebiejeebieclu wrote: Ok. Well, I mean the first one.
As for the framset, it doesn't make a massive lot of difference to my site does it? I'm beginning to dislike openmind for his sarcasm.
Excuse me?
The point I was making that if you are offering a professional service you should make the effort to ensure that your own site relects that level of professionalism. The attitude you have of "I don't really care" will not get you far in running your own business.
Your customers will be your life blood and you damn well should care about them and the service you offer them.
Sorry if this sounds overly critical or harsh but I'm growing tired of having clients come to me to sort out the mess that some poor quality design firm has produced. This only means extra expense for the client and further erodes their trust in web design companies as a whole.
If you cannot take yourself seriously then how will you expect paying customers to do the same?
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 17:27 — 5th February 2005.
yes, well i do take the business seriously just not this damn frameset that seems to have everybody in a pickle whilst doing nothing to hinder my site.
openmind posted this at 17:32 — 5th February 2005.
1) SE bots will have a problem indexing the content
2) People will not be able to bookmark specific areas of the site
You are using the frameset to avoud having to show the url of a free host. Fair enough to use a free host but it will simply not give you the long time reliability you will need to grow your business.
With hosting costs begin as low as they are, I really cannot think of any reason to use a free host except for persoanl homepages, certainly not fo a business site.
Karen Whitledge posted this at 16:49 — 6th February 2005.
Well, like others have said, I am also biased against (unnecessary) Flash sites, so no need to re-hash that point.
My minor point is about your menus. Your top menu seems slightly misaligned (the white/blue lines don't line up with the background of the menu bar). Is this intentional? Regardless, it looks like a mistake and I think you'll be much happier with the look/results if you were to line up the background of your menu blocks with the menu bar background.
Sorry about the multiple posts I realise I should of just edited one! In regards to your site design as a whole, everything thats been said before holds true. This site has been a great resource for information & you will do well to take the comments on board. SOme of our customers at our firm pay in excess of £2000 for a site design & intergration & let me tell you, your site is not even starting to become close. You must code it yourself, & make it look slick as this is the only showcase you have to anyone thinking about hiring you. I have sent you an email asking for a quote for a site I need doing. I will wait eagerly for your repsonse.
Spelling mistakes, graphical framesets & poorly worded content looks shoddy. You need to design this from the ground up. Take a look at our website lewishickey.com or psolutions.co.uk to see what kind of standard you need to be in the design world ( and these sites are in now way paticulary breathtaking but cost huge amounts to implement )
Im sure everyone understands, just remember the only thing people have about each other in the forum is what they type so is natural to judge someone by what they type & not take much else into consideration!
Did you know that when you click on the portfolio link, the picture ( of a screen display at an angle ) you can see the time signature from the digital camera it was taken from!?
mate, you cant have images on your site with the camera time stamp on them - it looks awful! Soz bud but it does. In agreement to the last post, yes why do you want to use Flash so much ? Sites with small Flash components can look visually stunning but whole flash sites rarely are user friendly. Take the one I examplified in previous posts ; lewishickey.com
While it looks superb, its fairly hard to navigate & would benefit from a much simpler interface.
For you to get regular custom, your own site must be technically, artistically & attention grabbingly AWESOME! IMHO !
I really do appreciate your a young lad ( dont mean to sound condescending ) & I know its very easy to say you shouyd do this & that blah blah blah at the end of the day, its your site, do what you want with it!
But in my experience, you will need to use either your site, or examples on it, as a showcase of your talents ( like your online CV to prospective customers )
Incidentally , how much would you charge for a basic website ? You still never got back to me with that quote, ( either with or without outsourced MySQL support ) Although I do appreciate your honesty about not knowing how to do it
Karen Whitledge posted this at 04:29 — 6th February 2005.
I like the color combination. I think you should consider rewording your text. Although I am a novice, I can speak as one in need of a web design professional. Sorry, but your site would not be an encouraging factor in my decision to hire you. I took the link in your portfolio to see more of your work however that site is under construction. Novice, Karen
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 09:59 — 6th February 2005.
ok. I have changed the redirect. As we are only a new company, my client i still changing the text for his website. When he has finished that the website will be up. Please explain more when you say i should reword my text. Is there any other reason why you would not choose my site?
JeevesBond posted this at 17:45 — 6th February 2005.
Heh, all images... Not good, you rather obviously used Adobe GoLive that doesn't look too professional - at least get rid of the title!
Design is going in the right direction but not much credit will be given to a non-accessible site that you didn't even try to code yourself. The worst thing is that you've been overly harsh on others that you have critiqued and now present us with this and declare that you: "Don't care" about any problems that we raise.
It appears you have some mis-conceptions that web design is easy, that you can get away with throwing something together in GoLive and call yourself professional - unfortunately there's a little more to it than that.
Perhaps I was a little unthinking when i said i don't care. of course I care. I was obviously in a bad mood when I wrote that post and I can't apologise enough hoping that people don't take that seriously.
I didn't 'throw something together' It is a Flash site and I spent weeks trying to put something together and came up with a design that i quite like.
I'll chage the title and the text.
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 19:47 — 9th February 2005.
Im not sure this is him, same IP block range or not. He's ( or used to be ) a really polite & friendly forum member. Ive spoken to him numerous times on email beciase I wanted to help him out with his web hosting. This seems such a stark contrast in personality. Lighten up dude, people are only offering you there opinion!
in regards to the site, there are two many errors IMHO. For eg, the company abonae.co.uk which you say on the main page youve done the site points to a filling page saying the sites been worked onwith massive spelling mistakes!
also, 'botch job' really does sound unprofessional. Its quite a nice structure but the fonts seem wrong & the rollover seems to big & blockly. What about just inverting the text ???
andyy15 posted this at 16:24 — 10th February 2005.
Ok some suggestions: create a logo, I think your font is really big on a 800 X 600 screen. The rollover nav effects are ok, but when you click on a section on your nav bar the rollover should not exist for that section. In other words on your navigation bar make it so that vistors see where they are. Check out the tabs here http://www.mcps.k12.md.us/schools/churchillhs/ when you click on one tab it stays higlighted green so that you know where you are.
I know I said I didn't care and that caused some controversy - i apologise with all my heart and I hope that people forgive me.
I was obviously wrong when I said that, and have made some very cheeky and uneccesary posts here and I apologise to all involved.
I didn't quite realise the scale of damage caused by my posts and was narked in future posts - only escalating the problem.
As said already, I am usually 'a really polite & friendly forum member' and I want to keep that reputation. It would be wise to put this whole, sorry mess behind us. As i am only young, I am sitting here feeling with guilt and practically crying with shame - I cannot concentrate on my homework.
Of course I would like this thread to be deleted, but I know that that's not going to happen but I have learnt my lesson now and I hope that people won't respect me less for an off-week.
I have personal reasons for being stressed, let's just say.
*******
The Abonae site is just about to go online so that page won't remain up there for much longer.
When I have time I will change the text.
JeevesBond posted this at 00:04 — 15th February 2005.
The other problem is that this is all typed words with no facial expression or vocal stresses to back the point you are trying to make, different meanings can be found in a post all too easily!
So, where do we go from here - I'm a little confused - are you planning to make any changes and I can review again, or shall I have another look at the site 'as is?'
Yes - I know that. I plan to have HTML with a flash banner (just like the top part of my current site) and perhaps just some Flash movies advertising/explaining my services.
I think I'm better at Flash than HTML, to be honest. I a failing at the moment to add the professional look to ny basic HTML templates.
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 12:51 — 16th February 2005.
I think I am slowly getting there with my website and that every time I redesign I get better. The question has been raised why use flash, but I am good at it and I like it so why not use flash?
I think the website that I am designing at the moment will be the best so far: - mainly HTML but with a few flash additions.
I have come a long way, and obviously I still have a lot to learn but I am getting there - by the time I am your age I'm sure I will be a real pro!
I'll keep designing this website and then I'll get back to you so you can see what you think of it.
(mfdc - I replied asking you to confirm - see my PM)
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 19:44 — 18th February 2005.
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Megan posted this at 20:41 — 2nd February 2005.
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Do you know heebiejeebieclu? He's got that same URL in his signature.
andy206uk posted this at 10:58 — 3rd February 2005.
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Errrm...
problem 1, it's all in a big frameset.
problem 2. You are using flash for something that could be done much better with HTML. flash for the sake of it is pointless.
Also... the design is a bit bland and you are using a mixture of styles, ultra modern eurostyle type font combined with old fashioned times new roman. Settle on a theme and stick to it. Also, what is the relevency of the pictures?
Andy
JeevesBond posted this at 12:33 — 3rd February 2005.
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Bah, I just got a nasty frameset and a "Click here to download plugin" I'm not a lover of Flash-dependant sites so will abstain from downloading the plugin and doing a review - it would be biased against the site from the start
a Padded Cell our articles site!
Logger posted this at 15:57 — 7th February 2005.
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I live in Salisbury
openmind posted this at 15:57 — 3rd February 2005.
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Considering that the IP address is in the same block I would suggest Stuart and heby are one of the same...
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 18:58 — 3rd February 2005.
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yes, but don't tell anybody.
OK, I did it in flash becuase it's easier.
I'll do what you said about the fonts
Relevance of pictures is that they look nice.
Frameset:- you've lost me there!
openmind posted this at 19:48 — 3rd February 2005.
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Why did you sign up again under a new name?
andy206uk posted this at 21:34 — 3rd February 2005.
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Are you using a domain redirection service? The real website seems to be hosted at:
http://www.btinternet.com/~music.crush
Basically what they do is rather than a sensible redirect (like a 301 or something) they just load the source website in a 1x1 framset.
Andy
Abhishek Reddy posted this at 01:48 — 4th February 2005.
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Ambiguous text on the first "page".
Is that a "we professionals on this site welcome you", or a "we on this site welcome professionals"?
Do you mean "ChristyRush will do a good job for you" or "if you're looking for a job, you'll get a good one with us"?
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 19:39 — 4th February 2005.
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You're right. I mean that we professionals on this site welcome you.The above practicallly mean the same thing. The job is good with us.As for the frameset, I'll try and fix it.I signed with a new name for personal resons. I will delete the account ASAP
Abhishek Reddy posted this at 23:53 — 4th February 2005.
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Not at all. The first interpretation suggests that you perform web design work for people who need it. The second interpretation suggests that you have web design work the needs to be done, and you are looking to offer this to other web designers. That's a massive fluctuation in target audience.
openmind posted this at 20:12 — 4th February 2005.
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Hmm, hardly what you would want to hear from someone offering their services as web designer...
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 17:17 — 5th February 2005.
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Ok. Well, I mean the first one.
As for the framset, it doesn't make a massive lot of difference to my site does it? I'm beginning to dislike openmind for his sarcasm.
openmind posted this at 17:22 — 5th February 2005.
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Excuse me?
The point I was making that if you are offering a professional service you should make the effort to ensure that your own site relects that level of professionalism. The attitude you have of "I don't really care" will not get you far in running your own business.
Your customers will be your life blood and you damn well should care about them and the service you offer them.
Sorry if this sounds overly critical or harsh but I'm growing tired of having clients come to me to sort out the mess that some poor quality design firm has produced. This only means extra expense for the client and further erodes their trust in web design companies as a whole.
If you cannot take yourself seriously then how will you expect paying customers to do the same?
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 17:27 — 5th February 2005.
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yes, well i do take the business seriously just not this damn frameset that seems to have everybody in a pickle whilst doing nothing to hinder my site.
openmind posted this at 17:32 — 5th February 2005.
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Thats the point it will hinder your site.
1) SE bots will have a problem indexing the content
2) People will not be able to bookmark specific areas of the site
You are using the frameset to avoud having to show the url of a free host. Fair enough to use a free host but it will simply not give you the long time reliability you will need to grow your business.
With hosting costs begin as low as they are, I really cannot think of any reason to use a free host except for persoanl homepages, certainly not fo a business site.
Karen Whitledge posted this at 16:49 — 6th February 2005.
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Negative words like "botch job" are wasting precious space. Try touting positive attributes such as: Reliable, Dependable, Creative, Efficient, etc.
jca posted this at 19:28 — 8th February 2005.
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Well, like others have said, I am also biased against (unnecessary) Flash sites, so no need to re-hash that point.
My minor point is about your menus. Your top menu seems slightly misaligned (the white/blue lines don't line up with the background of the menu bar). Is this intentional? Regardless, it looks like a mistake and I think you'll be much happier with the look/results if you were to line up the background of your menu blocks with the menu bar background.
jca • devoter.com :: poltical community weblog
mfdc posted this at 15:43 — 10th February 2005.
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Sorry about the multiple posts I realise I should of just edited one! In regards to your site design as a whole, everything thats been said before holds true. This site has been a great resource for information & you will do well to take the comments on board. SOme of our customers at our firm pay in excess of £2000 for a site design & intergration & let me tell you, your site is not even starting to become close. You must code it yourself, & make it look slick as this is the only showcase you have to anyone thinking about hiring you. I have sent you an email asking for a quote for a site I need doing. I will wait eagerly for your repsonse.
Spelling mistakes, graphical framesets & poorly worded content looks shoddy. You need to design this from the ground up. Take a look at our website lewishickey.com or psolutions.co.uk to see what kind of standard you need to be in the design world ( and these sites are in now way paticulary breathtaking but cost huge amounts to implement )
mfdc posted this at 08:00 — 11th February 2005.
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Dont worry about Internet forums mate too much!
Im sure everyone understands, just remember the only thing people have about each other in the forum is what they type so is natural to judge someone by what they type & not take much else into consideration!
mfdc posted this at 07:42 — 16th February 2005.
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Did you know that when you click on the portfolio link, the picture ( of a screen display at an angle ) you can see the time signature from the digital camera it was taken from!?
mfdc posted this at 10:50 — 16th February 2005.
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heebie ....
mate, you cant have images on your site with the camera time stamp on them - it looks awful! Soz bud but it does. In agreement to the last post, yes why do you want to use Flash so much ? Sites with small Flash components can look visually stunning but whole flash sites rarely are user friendly. Take the one I examplified in previous posts ; lewishickey.com
While it looks superb, its fairly hard to navigate & would benefit from a much simpler interface.
For you to get regular custom, your own site must be technically, artistically & attention grabbingly AWESOME! IMHO !
I really do appreciate your a young lad ( dont mean to sound condescending ) & I know its very easy to say you shouyd do this & that blah blah blah at the end of the day, its your site, do what you want with it!
But in my experience, you will need to use either your site, or examples on it, as a showcase of your talents ( like your online CV to prospective customers )
Incidentally , how much would you charge for a basic website ? You still never got back to me with that quote, ( either with or without outsourced MySQL support ) Although I do appreciate your honesty about not knowing how to do it
Karen Whitledge posted this at 04:29 — 6th February 2005.
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I like the color combination. I think you should consider rewording your text. Although I am a novice, I can speak as one in need of a web design professional. Sorry, but your site would not be an encouraging factor in my decision to hire you. I took the link in your portfolio to see more of your work however that site is under construction. Novice, Karen
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 09:59 — 6th February 2005.
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ok. I have changed the redirect. As we are only a new company, my client i still changing the text for his website. When he has finished that the website will be up. Please explain more when you say i should reword my text. Is there any other reason why you would not choose my site?
JeevesBond posted this at 17:45 — 6th February 2005.
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Heh, all images... Not good, you rather obviously used Adobe GoLive that doesn't look too professional - at least get rid of the title!
Design is going in the right direction but not much credit will be given to a non-accessible site that you didn't even try to code yourself. The worst thing is that you've been overly harsh on others that you have critiqued and now present us with this and declare that you: "Don't care" about any problems that we raise.
It appears you have some mis-conceptions that web design is easy, that you can get away with throwing something together in GoLive and call yourself professional - unfortunately there's a little more to it than that.
a Padded Cell our articles site!
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 18:00 — 6th February 2005.
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OK. Let me start from the beginning.
Perhaps I was a little unthinking when i said i don't care. of course I care. I was obviously in a bad mood when I wrote that post and I can't apologise enough hoping that people don't take that seriously.
I didn't 'throw something together' It is a Flash site and I spent weeks trying to put something together and came up with a design that i quite like.
I'll chage the title and the text.
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 19:47 — 9th February 2005.
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Yes; i suppose you're right.
Any other comments?
mfdc posted this at 15:20 — 10th February 2005.
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Im not sure this is him, same IP block range or not. He's ( or used to be ) a really polite & friendly forum member. Ive spoken to him numerous times on email beciase I wanted to help him out with his web hosting. This seems such a stark contrast in personality. Lighten up dude, people are only offering you there opinion!
mfdc posted this at 15:24 — 10th February 2005.
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in regards to the site, there are two many errors IMHO. For eg, the company abonae.co.uk which you say on the main page youve done the site points to a filling page saying the sites been worked onwith massive spelling mistakes!
mfdc posted this at 15:25 — 10th February 2005.
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also, 'botch job' really does sound unprofessional. Its quite a nice structure but the fonts seem wrong & the rollover seems to big & blockly. What about just inverting the text ???
andyy15 posted this at 16:24 — 10th February 2005.
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Ok some suggestions: create a logo, I think your font is really big on a 800 X 600 screen. The rollover nav effects are ok, but when you click on a section on your nav bar the rollover should not exist for that section. In other words on your navigation bar make it so that vistors see where they are. Check out the tabs here http://www.mcps.k12.md.us/schools/churchillhs/ when you click on one tab it stays higlighted green so that you know where you are.
IsOur.biz
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 19:34 — 10th February 2005.
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All I can do is apologise profusely.
I know I said I didn't care and that caused some controversy - i apologise with all my heart and I hope that people forgive me.
I was obviously wrong when I said that, and have made some very cheeky and uneccesary posts here and I apologise to all involved.
I didn't quite realise the scale of damage caused by my posts and was narked in future posts - only escalating the problem.
As said already, I am usually 'a really polite & friendly forum member' and I want to keep that reputation. It would be wise to put this whole, sorry mess behind us. As i am only young, I am sitting here feeling with guilt and practically crying with shame - I cannot concentrate on my homework.
Of course I would like this thread to be deleted, but I know that that's not going to happen but I have learnt my lesson now and I hope that people won't respect me less for an off-week.
I have personal reasons for being stressed, let's just say.
*******
The Abonae site is just about to go online so that page won't remain up there for much longer.
When I have time I will change the text.
JeevesBond posted this at 00:04 — 15th February 2005.
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Heh, apology accepted!
The other problem is that this is all typed words with no facial expression or vocal stresses to back the point you are trying to make, different meanings can be found in a post all too easily!
So, where do we go from here - I'm a little confused - are you planning to make any changes and I can review again, or shall I have another look at the site 'as is?'
a Padded Cell our articles site!
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 16:27 — 15th February 2005.
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Both - I am making/have already made some minor changes and I just plan to constantly change it slightly every so often.
my stats are quite interesting - 75% of my viewers exit before 5 seconds! (If you want the full stats then let me know)
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 10:40 — 16th February 2005.
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Yes
- do you think it's something to fix?
Anyway, major havoc as Flash now crashes when trying to create my big website.
I am now designing an HTML based (with Flash in it, naturally) website which I'm sure will please many people here.
openmind posted this at 10:42 — 16th February 2005.
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Just a question but why the feeling of having to use Flash? A site can be fantasttic without Flash as well
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 10:45 — 16th February 2005.
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Yes - I know that. I plan to have HTML with a flash banner (just like the top part of my current site) and perhaps just some Flash movies advertising/explaining my services.
I think I'm better at Flash than HTML, to be honest. I a failing at the moment to add the professional look to ny basic HTML templates.
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 12:51 — 16th February 2005.
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Thanks for your post.
I think I am slowly getting there with my website and that every time I redesign I get better. The question has been raised why use flash, but I am good at it and I like it so why not use flash?
I think the website that I am designing at the moment will be the best so far: - mainly HTML but with a few flash additions.
I have come a long way, and obviously I still have a lot to learn but I am getting there - by the time I am your age I'm sure I will be a real pro!
I'll keep designing this website and then I'll get back to you so you can see what you think of it.
(mfdc - I replied asking you to confirm - see my PM)
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 19:44 — 18th February 2005.
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Dear all,
My new website is now online for all to scrutinize!
The address, as always, is www.christyrush.co.uk .
I know there are a few tiny slips and I will fix them ASAP (a broken link - page titles replicated)
I enclose some shocking stats about my old website! (length of time users spent on thse site) http://www.webmaster-forums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=78&stc=1
SlitheryImp posted this at 03:36 — 19th February 2005.
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I like the pictures on the intro page, but I hate the links... maybe some nice looking buttons?
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 11:53 — 19th February 2005.
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You mean i should not have just text for links?
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