C. Rush Services
This is my recent design site.
I don't actually seem to be getting many visitors / clients so I am wondering what's going wrong.
I am linked to on the following sites:
and most of the list that's on the left hand side.
PS. Please don't be too harsh on me - I'm still a kid at school (not disclosing real age for obvious reasons)
Oh yeah, nearly forgot. My website's here
andy206uk posted this at 09:11 — 23rd August 2004.
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I think one of the reasons may be that people don't always want cheap web design. People are starting to learn that just like with print work, you get what you pay for.
You have no contact details on the site except for email. not at all professional. This might be new media, but people still like to talk!
.tk domain name? pop up banners advertising that you use a free domain provider is hardly going to make you look good to customers either.
Also... I could be wrong, but your layout looks disctinctly like it could be a template from a site like templatemonster.com. Did you design it yourself or use a template provider?
Andy
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 11:54 — 23rd August 2004.
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That layout is just temporary
I was going to buy a domain name, but when my business picked up!
Yes, well as I said, I'm a kid so there's no way I'm giving my home telephone number.
So you think I should get a domain name and raise my prices.
do you also think that putting up some example work and adding more features would be good?
AyntRyte posted this at 13:27 — 23rd August 2004.
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What is the purpose of serving your site from another domain through a frameset? The originating domain may get some SE traffic, but not the address you gave us.
You need to add a doctype statement (if you ever hope to validate your mark-up.)
Change your font units from px to % so IE users can adjust font sizes.
Very attractive site, but definately a template.
\\// Robert
The grass is always greener on the other side -- but that's because they use more manure.
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 18:24 — 23rd August 2004.
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Right.
a.) Yeah - the .tk people do the fram thng so they get the traffic
b.) What's a doctype statement?
c.) When i design the site I will change the font thing
d.) What kind of prices do you suggest?
abudabit posted this at 04:32 — 24th August 2004.
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Here is something which would be minor except you are a design servicer: The "links" image is being blocked or smeared by some layer of blue in front of it. Looks horrible on my screen. I am using Mozilla 1.7.
Anyways, that would probably scare away customers.
abudabit posted this at 04:36 — 24th August 2004.
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Also on my 1024x728 laptop the text of your logo looks waaaay too small. In fact the e and s in best are right on top of each other. I'm sure a lot of potential customers are using laptops in high res mode.
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 10:19 — 24th August 2004.
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Uh huh
All that should be fixed when I design the new site, so no design queries, please. I am more concerned about the things that andy mentioned - prices and stuff like that
Cheers
Megan posted this at 14:00 — 24th August 2004.
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We can't comment specifically on pricing here, since it could be considered price fixing and that's illegal. We don't want to risk getting TWF in trouble. Pricing depends on a number of factors - expereince, quality of work, geographical location, market forces, etc. etc.
Honestly, I think you've got some work to do before you're ready to start selling your services. There are a lot of details that need to be fixed up in this design, and I see no portfolio. Look at what other successful businesses do with their sites. They will have a portfolio. They will go into detail about what services they are offeering. They will provide detailed contact information. They will not link to template monster sites, let alone frame them within the site. They will not try to get third parties to find them clients (!)
Some details about the layout you should consider for your next attempt:
The navigation menus can harldy be described as menus. They are plain old links, no hovers, no attempt to make them look like something more than that. Work on your CSS to create beter navigation areas. I also think that you should move your "links" section to the right side so it's not as prominent. The way that's designed it could be confused with an in-site navigation menu. And I can barely read the "links" header.
Also work on your logo. A lot. The basic structure is fine but your fonts are terrible. Good logo design is all in the fonts. You need to create something that's memorable and eye catching.
Overall this isn't a bad start but there's a lot of work to be done. I really don't mean to be so harsh but it's important to be honest with things like this too.
Megan
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heebiejeebieclu posted this at 09:31 — 25th August 2004.
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Yeah. Really thanks for this advice guys. I'm gonna give it a rest for the moment, concentrate on my school work, then come back in a couple of months and make a fresh start.
For now, I'm gonna post real hard, and try to be a moderator here!
(I'm already at 7.34 posts a day)
mfdc posted this at 15:15 — 27th August 2004.
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The site shows some real potential but bear the following in mind;
stay away from templates - they might be convenient but you can spot them a mile off. If you havent got the patience to design your own site, how do you expect customers to have faith in you ?
with all due respect, ( & I mean no offence ) I don't think your level of technical expertise matches the service your offering. I picked this up with the things you've mentioned in your previous posts. I do understand however, that your young & this is a very good start.Keep at it, your doing better than some people who have been in the business for years!
You seem to have a talent for initial concept & you seem to know what you want, but not how to do it. Offer a skills trade with people on here, so for example, you could do a logo for them & they could write some script for you etc
You must have contact details including a landline & an address. You could set PO Box up at the post office & perhaps buy a PAYG mobile phone, use that as your 'company' phone perhaps?
Becuase I genuinley think there may be potential here, if you want any help with PHP/ Java / Perl / C / HTML / DHTML or SSS etc then please let me know & I'll help you out as best I can . No catch, just nice to see a youngster ( no offence ) getting into web design
mfdc posted this at 15:20 — 27th August 2004.
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Oh, by the way, I'll host your site if you wish for FREE on a large IBM server. I'll register your domain name for FREE too! I'll only do this however for twelve months until you get yourself going - BTW this ISNT a catch. Your helping me by becomeing my first customer ( non-paying ) on my new web server
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 15:22 — 27th August 2004.
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What should I offer then? I want to do it, but I agree with you - I don't think I have the expertise. I have this trial thing of Adobe GoLive so I should be able to use that. I think, however that I can do quite good logos - at a much better quality than I can do websites. Please, I really need your advice here on what you think I should do.
Thanks for your offer and I might need it to do a login thing here.
Counting on you guys for support here,
HJC
mfdc posted this at 15:28 — 27th August 2004.
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You need to go back to basics with your design & sketch out on paper a unified format including colours & layout etc for the site. The content comes later - get the basics right, a good solid coded HTML document that works. This will help it to load quickly. Try & get familiar with packages such as DreamWeaver & Frontpage if yournot already, they'll be a great help to you!
Why don't you put some examples of your work online - I for one would like to see some designs & logos to guage your level of experience - then you can start worrying about prices.
Think about doing a few for free - perhaps the first fifty people for example to gather interest.
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 15:30 — 27th August 2004.
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OK. To make the proffesionalism high, can I use a GoLive template as a BASIS for my site?
Please?
Pretty Please?
mfdc posted this at 15:33 — 27th August 2004.
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of course - golives fine, but you'll get much more flexibility by doing one from scratch. You see, using GoLive, you'll always be working wihin the constraints of the template thats been created where as if YOU'VE created the template, there are NO contraints.
Your going to have to buy a big-bumper book of HTML I think - are you in the UK
mfdc posted this at 15:43 — 27th August 2004.
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OK I understand you want the ease of WYSIWYG so why not purchase a package like FrontPage 2000? You get all the benefits of WYSIWYG but more advanced features too! Oh, I've sent you an email aswell
KarenArt posted this at 16:09 — 27th August 2004.
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You can use GoLive to "fill in" already made templates, create your own template... or (when you're ready) kick it over to "Source" and work purely in code. The fun is you can work by the "drag and drop" method then view the source code to see how it's doing what it's doing.
Once you get more advanced you can learn to clean up the code (although GoLive isn't nearly as bad as a lot of other programs) and write your own pieces of code.
...Then you'll be ready to move onto BBEdit.
*Edited to add...
My personal opinion is, you're not really going to be called a "professional" using anyone's templates. Professionals will either make thier own or can afford to have one made for them.
... but if you're willing to be a talented beginner... there's nothing wrong with using a template until you learn how to create your own.
gotta finish redesigning my sites so I can show them again.
The purpose of education is... to get more jokes!
sbmontana posted this at 21:49 — 28th August 2004.
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I can't get these links to open a site.
Have you taken it down, or is AdBlocker blocking it?
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 15:36 — 27th August 2004.
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I would rather use a WYSIWYG instead of learning HTML from scratch. Seriously I know I could do more.
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 16:03 — 27th August 2004.
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Hmm.. But I have GoLive
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 12:08 — 28th August 2004.
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I think I might use PHPNuke
heebiejeebieclu posted this at 18:52 — 28th August 2004.
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UPDATE
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- C.Rush Services has now been renamed to Abonae Web Services.
-domain abonae.co.uk should be up soon
- design should be PHPNuke but I have a standby
Dragon of Ice posted this at 21:53 — 28th August 2004.
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looks the same to me?
sbmontana posted this at 22:07 — 28th August 2004.
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OK, it comes up now.
I think this could be phrased better: "Our aim is to provide the best value for money website and logo design" -- does 'money' refer to "value", or to "website" or to "logo" or to "design"?
Otherwise, I have nothing to add to previous comments.
~ SB ~
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heebiejeebieclu posted this at 10:29 — 29th August 2004.
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It means that the website and logo design that I am providing is good value for money. Any way, that aim will change once i adjust my prices. I have now put up a tempory page. When I go back online I will either use PHP Nuke or another design.
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