Yup, there are at least two better browsers available (three if you count NS7 and Mozilla as different, which I don't really).
From what I've read this Amaya browser is really meant for testing rather than regular surfing. I may download it sometime if I run out of other things to do...
Quote: Originally posted by mjames According to my stats, 93% of my visitors use some version of IE. It's pretty much a landslide victory!
Yeah, well "Fuzzybears Happy MSN Homepage" traffic doesn't really account for the majority (sorry i couldn't resist ).
Honestly though, your 93% stat means:
1. you're making up statistics
2. you're site got 100 hits and 93 of them were you with your IE browser (the other 7 were you testing how it looked in Netscape)
3. you have a high ratio of IE users visiting your site, for whatever reason.
Last i hear it was about 80% IE, BUT! some browsers such as Opera (as mentioned above) and K-Meleon identify themselves as IE by default (i believe so plugins will recognize them), so any stats are severely inaccurate.
Regardless, the reason IE has the majority of the users is, obviously, because Windows comes with IE and nothing else. If a user wants to make a choice, they need to find, download, and install something else. The typical moron can't comprehend such a task, much less execute it, so they use IE because it's there with a big icon beckoning them.
If you polled the development community or only experienced or techonlogically knowlegable people in general, i'd be wiling to bet IE falls far below 50% as far as default browsers go, simply because these people know they have other, better choices and know how to get them.
Basically, what i'm saying is, if you give a starving man rice, and hide steak and lobster around the corner in a dumptster, he'll be perfectly happy with the rice until he learns theres steak and lobstr just around the corner...
The Webmistress posted this at 08:40 — 28th September 2002.
Does anyone have any confirmation on that? I've heard rumors about AOL using NS/mozilla for a looooong time but I guess I'll believe it when it actually happens.
I also think that these figures vary *a lot* depending on who your audience is. If you've got a really tech-savvy, standards-knowledgable group you probably would get a higher than normal base of Opera & Mozilla users. Some of my Canadian-specific sites gets a higher than average percentage of Netscape 4.x users (our governments and educational institutions generally still use that as the default!)
I do think that what Mozilla & Opera and other alternative browsers really need to do is advertise more in places where regular people will see them. I mean, I'm sure a lot of people would rather have another browser in version 7 than IE in version 6, you know? Most people would perceive v. 7 as being is better than v.6. Or if you promoted yourself as the new, or the high quality, or the user friendly, or highly customizable, and make yourself sound like you're better than what they've got people are going to want it, right? That's what they need to do. Yeah, sure, my mom isn't about to switch to a different browser, but my brother would, and there are a lot of people like him out there.
Also for a lot of people they get a PC from the shop already set up with a browser, internet connection, etc and they know enough to surf but wont download and install new programs let alone a new browser!
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Quote: Originally posted by R0B Yeah, well "Fuzzybears Happy MSN Homepage" traffic doesn't really account for the majority (sorry i couldn't resist ).
Honestly though, your 93% stat means:
1. you're making up statistics
2. you're site got 100 hits and 93 of them were you with your IE browser (the other 7 were you testing how it looked in Netscape)
3. you have a high ratio of IE users visiting your site, for whatever reason.
No.
1. I'm a bit surprised you'd accuse me of making up statistics ... I use an accurate log analyzer called PowerPhlogger as well as SiteMeter.
2. Considering the fact I probably get more than those "100 hits" in a single hour and my IP is blocked from my stats program to begin with, I don't think that theory has any substance.
3. Slightly high, yes, but c'mon, few I know use anything but IE. A couple web developers I know use Mozilla, but 99.9% of the world has never heard of it or Opera. People use IE because it works and comes installed on their computers. I'm not saying Mozilla or any other browser isn't good, but just stating the obvious, whether you like it or not.
Quote: Originally posted by R0B Honestly though, your 93% stat means:
1. you're making up statistics
2. you're site got 100 hits and 93 of them were you with your IE browser (the other 7 were you testing how it looked in Netscape)
3. you have a high ratio of IE users visiting your site, for whatever reason.
Nice to see that decent on the NS 4.x line! Opera is doing a poll right now asking where users are from - seems that 30% of Opera users are from Europe and an additional 20% are from Germany and 11% from the UK (that's 61% right there). Canada and the US only make up 11% combined. So, obviously there are regional differences when it comes to browser usage - as I've said before, NS 4.x usage is higher than normal in Canada.
Quote: Originally posted by mjames I'm a bit surprised you'd accuse me of making up statistics ...
wasnt intended to be an accusation or an insult. failed attempt at bad humor i guess. (i dont really think you got only 100 hits all from yourself either )
i suppose it has alot to do with the subject matter & intended audience of the site, and location.
I assume that by "Europe" they meant "rest of Europe" - just a shorter name to put in a poll they had on the site. If you read my post you would have noticed that I did add those up for a European total.
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johnxp posted this at 12:15 — 25th September 2002.
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Interesting, but I only use Internet Explorer 6.0,... everybody is using IE 6.0 or 5.5...
The Webmistress posted this at 12:35 — 25th September 2002.
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johnxp, I think you'll be surprised at how many people don't use IE!
Megan posted this at 13:19 — 25th September 2002.
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Yup, there are at least two better browsers available (three if you count NS7 and Mozilla as different, which I don't really).
From what I've read this Amaya browser is really meant for testing rather than regular surfing. I may download it sometime if I run out of other things to do...
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mjames posted this at 03:38 — 28th September 2002.
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According to my stats, 93% of my visitors use some version of IE. It's pretty much a landslide victory!
Busy posted this at 05:18 — 28th September 2002.
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but people that get Opera6 and dont change the default are recorded as IE users, can't rely on stats these days
ROB posted this at 05:40 — 28th September 2002.
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Yeah, well "Fuzzybears Happy MSN Homepage" traffic doesn't really account for the majority (sorry i couldn't resist
).
Honestly though, your 93% stat means:
1. you're making up statistics
2. you're site got 100 hits and 93 of them were you with your IE browser (the other 7 were you testing how it looked in Netscape)
3. you have a high ratio of IE users visiting your site, for whatever reason.
Last i hear it was about 80% IE, BUT! some browsers such as Opera (as mentioned above) and K-Meleon identify themselves as IE by default (i believe so plugins will recognize them), so any stats are severely inaccurate.
Regardless, the reason IE has the majority of the users is, obviously, because Windows comes with IE and nothing else. If a user wants to make a choice, they need to find, download, and install something else. The typical moron can't comprehend such a task, much less execute it, so they use IE because it's there with a big icon beckoning them.
If you polled the development community or only experienced or techonlogically knowlegable people in general, i'd be wiling to bet IE falls far below 50% as far as default browsers go, simply because these people know they have other, better choices and know how to get them.
Basically, what i'm saying is, if you give a starving man rice, and hide steak and lobster around the corner in a dumptster, he'll be perfectly happy with the rice until he learns theres steak and lobstr just around the corner...
The Webmistress posted this at 08:40 — 28th September 2002.
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I believe that AOL will now be shipping with Netscape rather than IE so that should shift the figures shomewhat!
Megan posted this at 03:01 — 29th September 2002.
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Does anyone have any confirmation on that? I've heard rumors about AOL using NS/mozilla for a looooong time but I guess I'll believe it when it actually happens.
I also think that these figures vary *a lot* depending on who your audience is. If you've got a really tech-savvy, standards-knowledgable group you probably would get a higher than normal base of Opera & Mozilla users. Some of my Canadian-specific sites gets a higher than average percentage of Netscape 4.x users (our governments and educational institutions generally still use that as the default!)
I do think that what Mozilla & Opera and other alternative browsers really need to do is advertise more in places where regular people will see them. I mean, I'm sure a lot of people would rather have another browser in version 7 than IE in version 6, you know? Most people would perceive v. 7 as being is better than v.6. Or if you promoted yourself as the new, or the high quality, or the user friendly, or highly customizable, and make yourself sound like you're better than what they've got people are going to want it, right? That's what they need to do. Yeah, sure, my mom isn't about to switch to a different browser, but my brother would, and there are a lot of people like him out there.
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The Webmistress posted this at 10:21 — 29th September 2002.
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Also for a lot of people they get a PC from the shop already set up with a browser, internet connection, etc and they know enough to surf but wont download and install new programs let alone a new browser!
Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....
mjames posted this at 22:53 — 4th October 2002.
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No.
1. I'm a bit surprised you'd accuse me of making up statistics ... I use an accurate log analyzer called PowerPhlogger as well as SiteMeter.
2. Considering the fact I probably get more than those "100 hits" in a single hour and my IP is blocked from my stats program to begin with, I don't think that theory has any substance.
3. Slightly high, yes, but c'mon, few I know use anything but IE. A couple web developers I know use Mozilla, but 99.9% of the world has never heard of it or Opera. People use IE because it works and comes installed on their computers. I'm not saying Mozilla or any other browser isn't good, but just stating the obvious, whether you like it or not.
tmay posted this at 19:21 — 6th October 2002.
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You need to learn about logging.
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mjames posted this at 19:46 — 6th October 2002.
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I also checked my stats with SiteMeter and only about 5% use non-IE browsers. I suppose it's partially my audience, mostly just the market trend.
mairving posted this at 01:28 — 7th October 2002.
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Yeah, I think that it is about 90-95% IE on most sites. Here is some Google info.
OS's used to access Google (93% Windows)
Browsers used to access Google:
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Megan posted this at 13:25 — 7th October 2002.
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Nice to see that decent on the NS 4.x line! Opera is doing a poll right now asking where users are from - seems that 30% of Opera users are from Europe and an additional 20% are from Germany and 11% from the UK (that's 61% right there). Canada and the US only make up 11% combined. So, obviously there are regional differences when it comes to browser usage - as I've said before, NS 4.x usage is higher than normal in Canada.
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ROB posted this at 16:53 — 16th October 2002.
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wasnt intended to be an accusation or an insult. failed attempt at bad humor i guess. (i dont really think you got only 100 hits all from yourself either
)
i suppose it has alot to do with the subject matter & intended audience of the site, and location.
mjames posted this at 03:05 — 19th October 2002.
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Fair enough.
Use a smilie in the future if you want to indicate humor or sarcasm. 
nike_guy_man posted this at 03:28 — 19th October 2002.
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Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but is this a different Europe than I know of??
As of my knowledge, Germany and UK are both in Europe...
I read it once and thought that you meant that all 30% came from Germany and Europe, then read it again... and now I'm cornfused... care to elaborate?
The Webmistress posted this at 07:44 — 19th October 2002.
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LOL, I hadn't really read that properly until you pointed it out. Maybe we & the Germans have left the EEC without anyone telling us!!
Megan posted this at 01:59 — 20th October 2002.
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I assume that by "Europe" they meant "rest of Europe" - just a shorter name to put in a poll they had on the site. If you read my post you would have noticed that I did add those up for a European total.
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