If dedicated, reseller also?
I plan on moving up to a dedicated server soon, and when you are on a dedicated plan, are you allowed to rent space out on the server like is done in reseller programs? I figured since the server is there for your using only, can't you set up other sites and control panels and such and sell some of your space?
I'm basically looking to see if hosts allow this (in general), or if it is basically forbidden... I guess there are exceptions depending on who your host is, but when you get a dedicated server is it implied in most cases that you're allowed to sell space or not to?
If there are dedicated plans that allow this, if you could give me a link that would be great.
Greg K posted this at 06:09 — 8th December 2004.
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The hosting company I use doesn not allow you to resell space on your dedicated servers. You can host as many of your own sites you want, but not sell it for others to use. Basically, if they allow you to do this, they are letting you provide service that they would normally make money from.
But there may be some that do, just have to check the fine print.
-Greg
PS. another thing to concider is speed. On your other thread you have, you mentioned that currently the shared server you are currently using is not fast enough as it is. If your sites are that big and used so much, reselling your space is jsut going to put more drain on your own sites, which from your other thread seems to be why you are wanting a dedicated server in the first place.
Also, I'm curious, what type of sites do you have that you are generating that kind of traffice, and why not put advertising on there to help pay for hosting?
openmind posted this at 10:41 — 8th December 2004.
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Have a look at the plans at www.servermatrix.com
I currently have several servers with them and the price/support is blinding. Bear in mind though that as the dedicated server owner you are totally responsible for that server so you do need to have a good working knowledge of your operating system and know how to secure a server correctly.
meatball posted this at 12:01 — 8th December 2004.
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Greg,
Thanks for the information.
My site is an information site that is based on the sport of airsoft, and is one of the largest (maybe the largest) in the entire country. I just get a ton of traffic, and am very high on google. My site has the potential to generate about $1100 a month in advertising, but its usually in the $600-800 range.
The semi-dedicated is actually fine for now, seeing as it is quite large, and it is managed so that there aren't any problems by my host. However I also have 2 other sites, and am also building some sites for other people. Now I thought it would be a nice idea to have these sites, and when I build them I could host them to take up this extra space... Now of course my primary objective is to keep my largest site going smooth since its getting me all the money, so I will not let other sites make my largest one slow.
Does servermatrix allow you to rent out space on your dedicated?
openmind posted this at 12:05 — 8th December 2004.
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Its your box to do whatever you like with as long as you own the licenses for extra software...
meatball posted this at 14:12 — 8th December 2004.
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Oh thats exactly what I am looking for... However I do not know much about the software required... Is there anything you would reccomend that relatively inexpensive, and is fairly easy to manage multiple sites, and can allow me to set up and sell space? If not thats fine, I'm sure I can find information on those types of software anyplace...
Great prices there too... Do you have personal experience with them? If so are they good?
openmind posted this at 15:27 — 8th December 2004.
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I've used them for the last twelve months. We started out with one server and then just kept on adding to them! I can highly recommend them.
As for the management of the sites we use HELM from www.webhostautomation.com to manage all our accounts on Windows 2003 servers. Very user friendly and not that pricey either. If I remember right, Server Matrix bundle it in for $20 per month...
**edit**
Just checked its $25 per month for HELM
meatball posted this at 00:08 — 9th December 2004.
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So I would need to purchase the Helm license, and then pay $25 a month?
Also, I was looking at Helm, and it looks great, but it really is only going after web hosts as potential buyers. Do you think it may an overkill? All I plan on doing is running a handful of sites, and hosting a handful of others...
Basically I don't want to have a huge program if it causes more work since it is capable of doing much more. Also how long do you think it would take to learn how to use this thing inside and out? Would helm be the only software I need?
Thanks a lot!
openmind posted this at 09:05 — 9th December 2004.
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No the $25 a month wouild cover you for a single server license of HELM.
I may well be overkill if you are running a few sites but at least you would have room to grow. There are other ways to set-up sites but the learning curve, which is already steep when it comes to running your own server, would get steeper still.
If say you went with a Windows 2K3 server, the default installation comes pretty much locked down already. If you have a look at the HELM forums you would find masses of articles realating to permissions, etc.
You have to have a mind for this though. If you had no interest in actually running the server, applying patches, checking it reguarly then you maybe better looking for a server admin to do all that for you but that can get expensive.
meatball posted this at 01:38 — 10th December 2004.
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Well seeing as I have never had to run a server, could you please elaborate?
Basically I want to know if it is going to take up a ton of time maintaining the server? I mean am I going to have to be worrying about it 24/7 and constantly checking on it and changing things around?
If this is the case, is there any programs that would make things less complicated, or would I have to avoid running on my own server altogether?
openmind posted this at 09:46 — 10th December 2004.
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This is the key point. If you've never run a server before then you do need to learn the basics before jumping in. Search Google and there is a myriad or tutorials and articles that will help. Download the eval edition of win 2k3 and dump it on a spare machine to learn what goes on under the hood.
You don't have to worry about your server 24/7 if you start out right and secure everything properly. Saying that though, I have all my servers open on a RDC on a spare monitor and I flip through them several times a day to check everything is OK. On top of that the servers are monitored by on site techs.
There are programs such as HELM which will help automate stuff but thats no good for when something breaks. Unless you have a fully manmaged server which will cost in excess of $200 per month just for someone looking after it, then you do really need to learn the basics first.
Couplke of useful links for you:
http://www.visualwin.com/
http://www.learnwindowsserver.com/ - I actually bought these vids and along with a test machine and a book, learnt the basics over about 6 months...
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