I like them both, but would prefer the right-handed navigation if you made the margin on the left a little wider so there is more space on that side and it doesn't feel so squooshed up against the left edge.
Right looks right, leave the left for right. I think Suzanne is right too - if you'd left more space on the left, the right would look more right. Alright? Right.
disaster-master posted this at 03:37 — 22nd June 2003.
I'm going to disagree and say left! Left here is the more logical choice for me because you eye is drawn left for the logo and it seems uncomfotable having to then look right for the navigation.
Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....
I think the overwhelming issue for me isn't left v. right (though the right is much improved). When I look at them now, the logo is wrongly placed. There is nothing to the right of it and that space draws my attention more than the text (or the navigation).
Now really, you don't want the navigation to stand out, you want the text (content) to stand out, and then the navigation be recognizable (since the content is more important than the navigation, not that the navigation isn't important).
But at the moment, the blank lines are the strongest. Basically the header is overpowering the rest of the page.
Suggestions:
1. Centre the logo if you're not going to have anything else up there.
2. Reduce the size of the logo if possible (may be difficult with that wee little Thoreau quote in there).
3. If you can't make the header smaller (lighter), make the rest of the page heavier/darker and add weight (darker colour) to the bottom of the page to balance it better.
disaster-master posted this at 20:01 — 22nd June 2003.
Yes, that looks good. I was thinking along the lines of what Suzanne was saying. The original left side navigation was much too left side heavy. The right navigation provided some balance.
no overlap in NS4.7, side naviation is below content. bottom content (botom nav, copyright ...) is left aligned with no background color - is presentable
disaster-master posted this at 15:55 — 26th June 2003.
longer answer: Yes mam, all left aligned and looking good
long silly answer: well since mars is in line with venus the angle of the dangle is just fine when we tilt our heads 5 degrees to the east and hold our toungues to the west. The extreme math to work out this event is simply done by 1 + 1 = window / day of the week * the season (winter) and looking at the page
disaster-master posted this at 12:57 — 27th June 2003.
Page looks good, but your photo sizes are huge. 70k for a 400x300 jpg? Drop the quality down until it's around 20-25k, 30k max. If you're using Photoshop, goto File > Save for Web.
It's pretty nice. It'll let you choose from various presets (color sets, quality, image format, size) and gives you a preview of what it'll look like and what size it'll be. I think you can also set your own values, too. I know v7 has it, not sure if older ones do or not.
Thanks IanD for reminding me to do that little task. It slipped my mind.
I got most of them down in the 30-40 range but some started to loose too much quality below 40. I totally agree on having small image sizes but I think in this case, a little extra weight might be worth a good image impression of the home and beach.
Quote: Originally posted by IanD It's pretty nice. It'll let you choose from various presets (color sets, quality, image format, size) and gives you a preview of what it'll look like and what size it'll be. I think you can also set your own values, too. I know v7 has it, not sure if older ones do or not.
I like the right because it is a little different from the norm. But after talking to lots of different kinds of people - I found that the left is better because they 'feel' that it is 'right' and 'normal' to be placed there. So the design may need to change in order to create that balance.
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taff posted this at 23:56 — 21st June 2003.
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I like the right - balances well against the left aligned logo. Might be a tough sell to the client though.
Busy posted this at 00:30 — 22nd June 2003.
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I think I perfer the left but maybe make the nav section a little smaller (not as wide)
Suzanne posted this at 00:42 — 22nd June 2003.
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I like them both, but would prefer the right-handed navigation if you made the margin on the left a little wider so there is more space on that side and it doesn't feel so squooshed up against the left edge.
kb posted this at 02:20 — 22nd June 2003.
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LEFT FOR LIFE!
Abhishek Reddy posted this at 03:14 — 22nd June 2003.
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Right looks right, leave the left for right. I think Suzanne is right too - if you'd left more space on the left, the right would look more right. Alright? Right.
disaster-master posted this at 03:37 — 22nd June 2003.
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It's moved the the right a little and does look much better. How's that?
Abhi, I do believe you are trying to cornfuse me.
Renegade posted this at 07:54 — 22nd June 2003.
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Yip, definatly the right one, the left one looks very un-co
The Webmistress posted this at 09:27 — 22nd June 2003.
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I'm going to disagree and say left! Left here is the more logical choice for me because you eye is drawn left for the logo and it seems uncomfotable having to then look right for the navigation.
Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....
zollet posted this at 10:41 — 22nd June 2003.
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I agree with Julia. I think left would be better but with less width.
Suzanne posted this at 15:03 — 22nd June 2003.
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I think the overwhelming issue for me isn't left v. right (though the right is much improved). When I look at them now, the logo is wrongly placed. There is nothing to the right of it and that space draws my attention more than the text (or the navigation).
Now really, you don't want the navigation to stand out, you want the text (content) to stand out, and then the navigation be recognizable (since the content is more important than the navigation, not that the navigation isn't important).
But at the moment, the blank lines are the strongest. Basically the header is overpowering the rest of the page.
Suggestions:
1. Centre the logo if you're not going to have anything else up there.
2. Reduce the size of the logo if possible (may be difficult with that wee little Thoreau quote in there).
3. If you can't make the header smaller (lighter), make the rest of the page heavier/darker and add weight (darker colour) to the bottom of the page to balance it better.
disaster-master posted this at 20:01 — 22nd June 2003.
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I have added some text in the blank space of the header logo. I think it looks much better.
Thanks for the ideas and inspiration. The owner loves it so I am going to let it be. Another client convinced that living "right" is the way to go.
Renegade posted this at 06:09 — 23rd June 2003.
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Looks great
Megan posted this at 13:13 — 23rd June 2003.
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Yes, that looks good. I was thinking along the lines of what Suzanne was saying. The original left side navigation was much too left side heavy. The right navigation provided some balance.
Megan
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spor posted this at 23:01 — 23rd June 2003.
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compromise, stick it in the middle
disaster-master posted this at 03:02 — 26th June 2003.
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Could someone with Netscape 4 look at this site for me and make sure that things aren't overlapping? You should see just an unstyled page (i hope)
Thanks!
Busy posted this at 05:33 — 26th June 2003.
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no overlap in NS4.7, side naviation is below content. bottom content (botom nav, copyright ...) is left aligned with no background color - is presentable
disaster-master posted this at 15:55 — 26th June 2003.
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Thank ya busy!
Everything should be left aligned. is it?
Busy posted this at 21:52 — 26th June 2003.
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short answer: Yep
longer answer: Yes mam, all left aligned and looking good
long silly answer: well since mars is in line with venus the angle of the dangle is just fine when we tilt our heads 5 degrees to the east and hold our toungues to the west. The extreme math to work out this event is simply done by 1 + 1 = window / day of the week * the season (winter) and looking at the page
disaster-master posted this at 12:57 — 27th June 2003.
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Silly busy!
IanD posted this at 22:28 — 7th July 2003.
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Page looks good, but your photo sizes are huge. 70k for a 400x300 jpg? Drop the quality down until it's around 20-25k, 30k max. If you're using Photoshop, goto File > Save for Web.
Fighting for a Lost Cause.net
taff posted this at 23:18 — 7th July 2003.
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Man, I really need to upgrade my copy of Photoshop! How much control do you have over this built-in image compression process?
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IanD posted this at 23:51 — 7th July 2003.
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It's pretty nice. It'll let you choose from various presets (color sets, quality, image format, size) and gives you a preview of what it'll look like and what size it'll be. I think you can also set your own values, too. I know v7 has it, not sure if older ones do or not.
Fighting for a Lost Cause.net
taff posted this at 01:20 — 8th July 2003.
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Not v5 which I still have. I use a 3rd party app for my optimization. I use a lot of 3rd party apps actually - creature of habit I guess.
It's about time I brought a lot of this stuff up to date!
Thanks for the info.
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disaster-master posted this at 01:30 — 8th July 2003.
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Thanks IanD for reminding me to do that little task.
It slipped my mind.
I got most of them down in the 30-40 range but some started to loose too much quality below 40. I totally agree on having small image sizes but I think in this case, a little extra weight might be worth a good image impression of the home and beach.
Thanks again,
Sonia
necrotic posted this at 05:00 — 8th July 2003.
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V.6 has it. I use it all the time.
[James Logsdon]
Megan posted this at 13:08 — 8th July 2003.
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It started with v. 5.5 when they introduced ImageReady. It's actually just a bit of that program pulled into Photoshop. Handy as can be
Brooke posted this at 21:44 — 9th July 2003.
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I like the right because it is a little different from the norm. But after talking to lots of different kinds of people - I found that the left is better because they 'feel' that it is 'right' and 'normal' to be placed there. So the design may need to change in order to create that balance.
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