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Hello
What are the top 5 reasons why not to use .png pictures in a website instead of .gif .jpg (my website has a logo which is 40KB when well compressed .jpg and 25KB when full quality .png so I`m thinking why not to use .png)?
Thanx
The Webmistress posted this at 12:03 — 14th June 2003.
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The .png format still isn't as widely supported with browsers as the others and therefore you may have difficulties with people viewing the site.
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kb posted this at 20:20 — 14th June 2003.
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like Webmistress said, its not widely supported, and when it is, it isnt always interpreted as you'd like, sometimes with lines or other random inserts
IE almost always supports it, from the earliest versions
Netscape is iffy
Mozilla i believe does
Text-browsers...obviously not
Besides those, i really dont know the specs for Opera, Amaya, and such. and unless viewers are on 28.8k modem, that little of a size difference doesnt matter. 56k users take awhile for graphics and the page, so they wont notice much of a difference.
Suzanne posted this at 20:20 — 14th June 2003.
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The .gif format is coming out of patent shortly, as well.
Until IE dies or is updated (neither of which seem to be coming about quickly), PNG will not be a good solution if you're looking to replace both .gif and .jpg with one format. I'm not going to do a top 5 reasons for you, but IE doesn't support alpha transparency, and it's transparency for straight one colour transparency is still iffy in some browsers.
Use it if you want to. Just make sure you have good alt and title attribute values for those images. And don't use alpha transparency.
Some12k posted this at 20:30 — 14th June 2003.
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Thanks all for replying.
I`m not going to use transparency on my pics anyway.
Which versions of which browsers does not support .png?
Suzanne posted this at 20:32 — 14th June 2003.
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http://www.google.com/search?q=png+browser+support
Some12k posted this at 09:49 — 15th June 2003.
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Thank you for your reply. You are very fast indeed.
Suzanne posted this at 16:27 — 15th June 2003.
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zoom zoom zoom! alas, 'tis not me, 'tis Google to the rescue.
Roo posted this at 18:14 — 15th June 2003.
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God png's alpha transparancy is sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet! It's a shame that the one browser that the majority uses doesn't support it. .
As far as jpg vs png.......for things like photos and complex images it seems to me that jpeg still is the best compression choice.
Roo
Roo posted this at 18:37 — 15th June 2003.
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Came back becuase after I posted I went to the basement to smoke, thought about it and got mad.!
Not to change the direction of the thread but;
IE supports a ton of things specific only to *it*, yet doesn't support something that actually would be useful.
*Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr, Snort, Growl*
Roo
Megan posted this at 13:12 — 16th June 2003.
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Yeah, and don't get us started on CSS!
In short, PNG is supported by all the major browsers. The problem is that IE doesn't support the alpha transparency, which is one of the most attractive aspects of PNG. As for file sizes, I think you have to do a lot of experimentation to see if PNG can do a better job for your particular graphic. Sometimes it can, sometimes it can't. Evolt.ord I think has a current article on the subject.
As a sidenote, I read in Zeldman's blog last week that MS doesn't plan on upgrading its browser until 2005, and even then it won't be available as a stand alone upgrade - only with their new OS, which is subscription based. So, we will be stuck with that level of support for another 2 years, and likely for considerably longer :(
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Suzanne posted this at 13:48 — 16th June 2003.
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I think maybe with the 7 more years of free licensing to AOL of IE as well, we're going to have to start promotional campaigns for Netscape/Mozilla and all derivatives. And Safari, et cetera.
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ROB posted this at 16:12 — 16th June 2003.
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all kinds of png info including supporting applications
Roo posted this at 20:46 — 16th June 2003.
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LOL......I should be really thin then, becuase I've always used anything but IE.
IMO it's the alpha transparancy that makes png magical little gem that it is. Just think! *One* image that will display flawlessly no matter what color it sits atop! It's magical!
On the other hand, you do have to be careful...unless I've done something wrong in past experimentation, quite often the file size is very much more than gif or jpeg..but then that's with png24 too, because like I said.....it's the alpha transparancy that makes it worthwhile.
Roo
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