New Idea for A webmaster site
I was messing around with some stuff last night, mostly looking a CSS stuff, and a thought hit me. Why not have one site that is a collection of tutorials/sites/faqs/scripts/anything a webmaster would need, weather they're new or professional.
Tutorials: There would be tutorials for everything from how to use HTML properlly and how to create an e-commerce site with Cold Fusion. There would be different levels of difficulty for each one, starting at Novice, ending at Professional with everything else in between.
Sites: Webmaster sites, hosting sites, domain registars, sites to avoid... the list goes on.
FAQs: What and what not to do and how to do it.
Scripts: Pre-built Free-ware scripts written by anyone. Basic ones that people just starting in their webmaster life need to figure out how to do something that isn't covered in a tutorial.
Anything else: If anything else comes up... then it would go under this category.
Questions? Comments? I'm not sure if this has been done/attempted before. But I personally like the idea. If it sounds like a good idea to you, then help think of a name for it. I'm think Web-Base, but web-base.com and .net are already taken, only .org is left.
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zollet posted this at 16:03 — 14th October 2002.
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That's basically the idea for our webmaster site.. Haven't had time to work on it much, but you can see the extremely early beta at http://www.modernwebmasters.com/beta/ (only webhosting that is somewhat complete)
It's a great idea and could attract many webmasters. Wish you the best.
Mark Hensler posted this at 16:31 — 14th October 2002.
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I've thought about doing that in the past. I've even got a domain name for it (http://www.webmaster-center.com/). But I just don't have the time.
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Megan posted this at 01:35 — 15th October 2002.
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I can't think of any site that has all of that, but there are many in my bookmarks that come close. It would be *a lot* of work to do something like that well. Good luck if you decide to try it
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Mankiy posted this at 03:12 — 15th October 2002.
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Its a great idea!
Except you would have to have experienced webmasters help you in the Developement of the Site........
ROB posted this at 06:35 — 15th October 2002.
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as far as faqs, check out http://www.irt.org javascript faq's
they do faq's how they should be done, giving you the code to do it and explicitly walking you through it.
regarding your idea, not a bad idea, and i dont mean to discourage you, but it's been done wrong 100's of times by over-anxious devs with too little experience. A student doesn't make a good teacher.
(Note: I know nothing about you, I'm just commenting on my observations of an over-abundance of this type of site written by amatuers)
ROB posted this at 06:41 — 15th October 2002.
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hey i love that design, looks very sharp!
Busy posted this at 06:59 — 15th October 2002.
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I would have to disagree with that, many teachers get to advanced for the complete newbie, when was the last time you managed to find one tutorial site on a subject you wanted to learn and didnt have to go elsewhere for better or easier steps to learn it. Sometimes students or amatures do gwt it wrong, sometimes even going in the wrong direction but they do start slow and basic.
Necrotic, good idea if you can pull it off, hardest part would be keeping up with upgrades, like HTML to XHTML, PHP with globals on, universal CSS ...
And as Rob mentioned many have tried and failed. Build it up slowly don't get in over your head and you'll get there. I was reading the other day how sitepoint is making a good living from their site now.
Good Luck
zollet posted this at 07:37 — 15th October 2002.
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ROB,
thank you for your comment about the design
necrotic,
We used to own one of the first Macromedia resource sites and the reason our site got popular (between 6-10,000 unique visitors per day) was because I really spent A LOT of time working on the tutorials with decent screenshots and explaining the steps like if I was talking to a 4 year old. I also had a few people beta test them to make sure they could follow them easily. A mistake most people do is they assume that the reader knows something and doesn't explain it very well and that is where the users will get stuck.
Megan posted this at 13:25 — 15th October 2002.
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But that's exactly what a good teacher is - someone who can *teach* things to the target audience. It's not necessarily someone who knows a the most of about the subject matter (anyone who's taken a university level will understand what I'm talking about here). A good teacher is able to break things down and explain them in a way that makes sense. I think that this is what ROB meant.
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necrotic posted this at 18:49 — 15th October 2002.
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If I do decide to do this I was hoping some people from maybe here, if they had any time and were willing to do it, could help with some tutorials or FAQs. If not, oh well. I'll be asking quite a few people that don't go here. Before I decide on doing this though I need to get a design and a host. The host part won't take much, I plan on using Sarvi Hosting. The design will take a little more. I want it to be user friendly, sharp, and look professional. I'll probably start on the Beta design tonight. Thanks for the great input, and I'll make sure I don't go in over my head. I'll start it out slowly and build it up more and more.
@Rob:
I'm still just a student... in High school 0.0. But everyday, weather it be from w-f.net or another site I learn more and more about my current language of study (PHP). After I can do most things in PHP I plan on moving on to Javascript, which I've heard is hard. But I'll find out for myself. I'd say for a 15-year-old who has only been programming for 5 months or so I've learned alot on my own.
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Mankiy posted this at 20:39 — 15th October 2002.
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I have Plenty of Tiem On My hands Since im Designing My Gamerz Central Layout slowely b/c i want it to be perfect
So if U Need help with anything I will be here, just ask and I will try to do
I could do some begginner tutorials on PHP..........
and on HTML too...........
Gamerz Central
Mankiy Productions - All Mankiys Art on ONE Site
necrotic posted this at 22:36 — 15th October 2002.
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I've got the basic design down. You can see it at http://www.anitrade.net/necrotic/design.gif .
Future plans: The left bars (Main, Tutorials, FAQs, etc...) will be flash. You click on the one you want and it moves to the top and the page changes (Will use either frames or Iframes). I need to do something with the background and make the layout a little larger. It's only about 500px wide right now. NOTE: I'm still workin' on it. If it doesn't look 100% that's why
Comments?
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Busy posted this at 06:31 — 16th October 2002.
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You would be better off keeping it basic, by basic I mean HTML or CSS, limit your use of flash and frames or iframes.
Flash has been abused by many first timers people tend to hate it as much as the animated graphic, some people even uninstall it (check out the opera forums). Frames aren't search engine friendly, people can't bookmark pages, can't send pages to friends ... iframes don't work on all browsers, can't be bookmarked ...
The choice is yours but if you are going to put the effort into all of this you might as well make it user friendly
Megan posted this at 13:24 — 16th October 2002.
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And the seasoned webmaseter is pretty sick of all the bells and whistles. We're cynical - it's best not to try to impress us with the latest gadgets but rather concentrate on providing quality content.
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ROB posted this at 16:15 — 16th October 2002.
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yeah, i didn't mean my post to come out quite like it did. like i said i dont want to discourage anyone at all, best of luck.
Megan posted this at 17:41 — 16th October 2002.
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I do think it is important for people to know what they're getting into with some of these things. That is quite a big undertaking and you're going to have to have lots of time & effort to dedicate to it. IME, creating a highly successful site is all about dedication.
Best of luck to you, anyway...
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necrotic posted this at 18:46 — 16th October 2002.
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Alright, I probably won't use frames and flash then. As for dedication, I plan on working on this for at least 75% of my free time. And I'll make sure things are done right, not hastily. I've "finished" the HTML for the design. By finished I mean it's put togethor. Gotta do CSS and a few (One, maybe 2) jscripts. After I do that I'll start coding the pages, starting with the database design, ending with dunno what yet Thanks for all the comments/support, I'll need it.
@Rob: I know you didn't mean to sound like that, it's all good.
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necrotic posted this at 22:45 — 16th October 2002.
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I've gotten alot of the HTML done. You can check it out here. I've got to do the image map for the side menu links, but that's the basic idea of how it will work.
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Busy posted this at 07:17 — 17th October 2002.
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loose the "Best Viewed in 800 X 600 or above, 256 Colors or more"
As "the Webmaster's Hevan" you should be setting an example.
will the tabs (seperate sections) be different colours?
The Webmistress posted this at 07:40 — 17th October 2002.
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The graphics need some work IMO
necrotic posted this at 11:17 — 17th October 2002.
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@Julia: I know, that's the rough draft.
@Busy: Yes, the selected tab will be darker if nothing else. And I will lose the "Best Viewed..."
*God I love school, people are so stupid*
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hclear posted this at 16:37 — 17th October 2002.
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it sounds like a great idea, but it hasto be unique and properly done, i tried to do a student site before but found without thetime it wasntworth the effort and all the ideas that i came up with were a waste, if you can do...do it. whats the latest.
Mankiy posted this at 00:32 — 19th October 2002.
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Its nice...........
At least I Like it
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