Design, Marketing, and the 80/20 rule.

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This is an interesting article from a marketer about redesigning his site:

http://www.entrepreneurs-journey.com/372/how-much-time-do-you-spend-on-blog-design/

Yaro wrote: Pure marketers working online look at the web as merely a communication tool to get across a message. Pure designers look at a webpage as a canvass where they can express their creativity and “paint a picture”. How do we find a happy medium between these two extremes?

I've been noticing lately the gap between marketers and designers online. The designers don't talk about marketing and marketers don't talk about design. Most them seem to operate as if the other didn't matter (with the notable exception of Cameron Moll) What about you? Do you consider marketing in your designs? Do you consider design in your makreting efforts? Is one more important than the other? Do you give it more consideration?

I think design can have a big impact on how words are percieved by users. For example, if you have an elegant, professional looking site the words will have much more credibility than they would in an amateurish looking design.

Yaro wrote: It is the words on the site that are responsible for the sales (in an 80/20 sense), yet most people care more about how a website looks.

How true - many of us do seem to be more concerned with what a site looks like than how well it sells. (and I'm using the term "sell" quite loosely here, to encompass communication, sitckiness, learning value, whatever you are trying to accomplish with your website.) Or worrying about what the code is doing too. Does it validate, is it semantic etc. etc. I'm not disputing that those things are important - just that many seem to overemphasize the importance of standards, design, usability etc. to the point where the purpose of the website is forgotten.

But is it really the words that a responsible for sales? I think the design can have a big part to play here - definitely bigger than 20%. However, the role is often in the non-visual aspects of the design such as usability. I've had a lot of conversations with my mom lately about badly designed sites she has attempted to buy products from. She doesn't care what it looks like as long as it's easy to purchase the product she wants. In short, if it's hard to buy something then people aren't going to do it. That's a key design problem.

Yaro wrote: I’ve spent time trying to get a box to align in a column because I wasn’t happy with how it looked knowing full well it didn’t impact the usability of the site.

Aren't we all guilty of that!

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Yes very true. I reckon it's 60/40 in favour of content. Design surely has an impact on the credibility of the business. I wouldn't buy from a dodgy amateur looking site but I wonder how many non-websavy surfers notice the difference between a good and a bad site.

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First you need the hook-up, its like love at first site, so you need a good design(thats why we need our sites critiqued). Then you spend most of your time making the site accessible, not only do you get to validate with the w3c code validators, you need also for WCAG rules to take effect on your sites, this is where you make your site sticky... You attract first (with design), and make them stay (with coding and accessibility)... All of these are still a part of a marketing strategy... Thats why most designers work with SEO and Marketing people to market their stuff... You also need psychology, you need to look at your public, what niche are you targetting, design it for them... Many itty bitty things come into place, but as we continue to learn, we do these things naturally...

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What if you had the same content, say tea and scones (or crumpets) but one site was made in Frontpage 98 (badly) with comic sans, centered text, animated gifs ... and the other in a Royal English flavour, real nce. Remember exact same content, who would you buy from?
Go towards proving design does have an inpact on sales.

No lets turn the scales slightly, keep the content topic the same (tea and scones) but worded differently. The Frontpage version has perfect spelling and grammer, everything spelled out in a real 'omg i just have to have that even though I have 12 already' kind of way while the elegant layout is short of facts, bad grammer, slang even out dated information. Now who would you buy from.

80/20, 60/40 ... ? it's just numbers that don't mean diddly.

Another example, you use MSN.com's layout and Google's layout, sell the tea and scones again, or yahoo, or amazon or any other 500 company. Google's layout/design is minimal where as msn is everywhere and these fit into the scale where?

All these people that make these silly statements have earnt how many millions? and google and msn and yahoo ... have how many billions? If companies like google and other 500 companies followed the advice of these 'experts' I am sure the cash box would be a few dollars less

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