how fast is this - and does it sound legit

Do you have a URL so we can verify this claim?
JP

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Their url is wwisp.com I used them as my internet access provider sometime back, but it was too expensive $25 month, looks like I my be getting it free now though. I did get great customer service because they're located just down the road from the house though.

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Fairhousing,

An OC-3 line is a very large and very expensive fiber-optics line. I am not sure where they are located to verify that a OC-3 line actually is in place but there aren't many OC-3 lines in the US - most of them are owned by VERY LARGE companies like Sprint and UUnet... You might want to check the validity of that statement. They could however have a DS-3 connected to a larger line (like a OC-3) because they aren't terribly expensive. I am not saying that they don't have a local OC-3 line but it is unlikely.

It sounds correct and would be a very good deal if it is in fact true!

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Thanks, for the info and they're located in Birmingham, Alabama if that helps.

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An OC-3 line is worth nothing if it's connected to a sorry backbone or something slower than the line itself.

Also, I would make sure your site is not on the same server as the servers they give Internet access with. The reason is because it will slow down your site big time. People surfing the net take up lots of bandwidth and cpu.

HTH
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Thanks, for yet another helpful tip in my on going negotiations.

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fairhousing,

Did a trace route from west coast and you can see in hop 16 that it does connect briefly to an OC3 line from Phoenix, AZ to Atlanta. You can also see that the times start slowing down from there to their server.
Edit by Dan: Of course it slowed down, it's further away. Been a long day;)
D:\>tracert www.wwisp.com

Tracing route to www2.wwisp.com [207.98.230.29]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 150 ms 141 ms 140 ms 216.36.38.250
2 130 ms 140 ms 141 ms 216.36.38.254
3 150 ms 160 ms 160 ms hssi0-0-0-105.gw1.pdx.pcrest.net [216.36.25.49]
4 160 ms 160 ms 161 ms 216.36.25.86
5 150 ms 160 ms 160 ms 216.88.192.109
6 170 ms 160 ms 160 ms 216.88.192.105
7 150 ms 160 ms 180 ms sl-gw6-sea-1-0-0-T3.sprintlink.net [144.224.113.5]
8 160 ms 160 ms 161 ms sl-bb11-sea-2-2.sprintlink.net [144.232.6.69]
9 180 ms 201 ms 170 ms sl-bb10-stk-5-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.9.85]
10 170 ms 180 ms 200 ms sl-bb11-stk-9-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.4.109]
11 200 ms 200 ms 201 ms sl-bb2-stk-8-0-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.4.10]
12 190 ms 171 ms * sl-w1-mae-4-1-0-T3.sprintlink.net [144.228.10.46]
13 180 ms 180 ms 180 ms mae-west.good.net [198.32.136.37]
14 200 ms 200 ms 201 ms san-jose.las-vegas.good.net [209.141.189.9]
15 201 ms 200 ms 200 ms las-vegas.phoenix.good.net [209.141.189.1]
16 240 ms 240 ms * atl-phx-oc3.atlanta.good.net [209.141.210.54]
17 240 ms 241 ms 240 ms winstar-gw.atlanta.good.net [207.98.188.173]
18 241 ms 260 ms 260 ms wwisp-t3.atlanta.good.net [207.98.188.130]
19 260 ms 261 ms 240 ms www2.wwisp.com [207.98.230.29]

Trace complete.

Edited: Would be interested to see a trace route from say JP to see if he connects into a OC3 anywhere.
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Definetly, zebra.net is the faster. Less hops from west coast and is using a better backbone.

D:\>tracert www.zebra.net

Tracing route to www.zebra.net [208.5.19.4]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 130 ms 140 ms 141 ms 216.36.38.250
2 130 ms 140 ms 140 ms 216.36.38.254
3 170 ms 180 ms 180 ms hssi0-0-0-105.gw1.pdx.pcrest.net [216.36.25.49]
4 200 ms 160 ms 161 ms 216.36.25.86
5 150 ms 180 ms 160 ms 216.88.192.109
6 310 ms 280 ms 301 ms 216.88.192.105
7 * 220 ms 181 ms 905.Hssi5-0.GW1.SEA1.ALTER.NET [137.39.136.5]
8 301 ms 200 ms 180 ms 104.ATM2-0.XR2.SEA1.ALTER.NET [146.188.200.62]
9 220 ms 201 ms 240 ms 294.ATM3-0.TR2.SEA1.ALTER.NET [146.188.200.126]
10 221 ms 220 ms * 110.ATM7-0.TR2.DFW4.ALTER.NET [146.188.137.33]
11 260 ms 240 ms 221 ms 298.ATM7-0.XR2.DFW4.ALTER.NET [146.188.240.77]
12 231 ms 280 ms * 152.63.96.101
13 270 ms 301 ms 260 ms zebra-gw.customer.ALTER.NET [157.130.68.66]
14 260 ms 260 ms 261 ms OC3-e2-DTMOB-WMOB-e1.zebra.net [209.12.14.234]
15 301 ms 260 ms 240 ms www.zebra.net [208.5.19.4]

Trace complete.

To translate a little, the pdx.pcrest.net is Portland, OR pacificcrest.net which is a local backbone. Then goes to seatle and connects to Alternet. from there to Dallas - Fort Worth and into zebra.net

JP, actually i meant to do a trace to the ISP's fairhousing is talking about.

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Hello:

I'm dumb founded on how you did that, but here's the address to another isp I'm meeting with today zebra.net. Could you do the same thing and tell me who's better please.

I'd really appreciate it

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Does a higher ms mean better and does fewer hops equal better also?

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ms stands for milli-second, so high is slower. However, the less hops, the less for things to go wrong and like chad said, alter.net is one of the best backbones to be on. Have to take into account the time of day trace was done also. The original wwisp trace was done about 1:00 am PDT. Just did another on wwisp 1:15 pm PDT and most of the numbers from southern CA on were in the range of 275 -290. Chad can probably explain it a little better, but that is the basics.

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oops, I copied/pasted the wrong one. Sorry...

1 140 ms 141 ms 138 ms th-pm05.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.26]
2 140 ms 138 ms 138 ms perseus-fa-0-0.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.39]
3 140 ms 140 ms 141 ms phobos-fa-0-0.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.254]
4 154 ms 199 ms 142 ms lon1-6.nildram.net [195.112.5.209]
5 230 ms 147 ms 148 ms lon1-4.nildram.net [195.112.4.12]
6 224 ms 233 ms 227 ms nyc-3.nildram.net [195.112.5.250]
7 218 ms 217 ms 245 ms e1-1-0.nyc1gw1.us.insnet.net [207.181.1.53]
8 242 ms 241 ms 221 ms Serial1-1-0.GW2.NYC4.ALTER.NET [157.130.5.229]
9 244 ms 226 ms 239 ms 132.ATM2-0.XR1.NYC4.ALTER.NET [146.188.178.134]

10 235 ms 229 ms 227 ms 289.ATM2-0.TR1.EWR1.ALTER.NET [146.188.179.58]
11 264 ms 263 ms 273 ms 105.ATM6-0.TR1.DFW4.ALTER.NET [146.188.136.241]

12 277 ms 270 ms 256 ms 199.ATM6-0.XR1.DFW4.ALTER.NET [146.188.240.49]
13 323 ms 284 ms 279 ms 152.63.96.97
14 274 ms 273 ms 278 ms zebra-gw.customer.ALTER.NET [157.130.68.66]
15 280 ms 311 ms 279 ms OC3-e2-DTMOB-WMOB-e1.zebra.net [209.12.14.234]
16 294 ms 296 ms 293 ms www.zebra.net [208.5.19.4]

Trace complete.

Owzat!
JP

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is owzat some british thing?

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Fairhousing,

Dan and I did that "niffty" little trick at the DOS prompt... Just open a DOS window and type "tracert www.something.com" It will do the rest. Go ahead and do it for www.zebra.net. You see all the ALTER addresses in the tracert? Those are good to see because they mean the connection is on a UUnet backbone which is the best out there - it is more expensive because it is a privatly held company, but UUnet is the best you can get. Further, it looks like they really are hooked directly into a OC-3 backbone because of the second to last hop. I think www.zebra.net would have much better connections.

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Dan, at your service...

1 138 ms 138 ms 138 ms th-pm00.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.8]
2 140 ms 140 ms 140 ms perseus-fa-0-0.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.39]
3 162 ms 144 ms 152 ms netdirect-gw.routers.business.net.uk [194.88.66.
249]
4 187 ms 141 ms 147 ms 194.88.67.69
5 142 ms 210 ms 197 ms ma-atm-155.routers.business.net.uk [194.88.80.10
3]
6 149 ms 142 ms 154 ms chi-gw-03.business.net.uk [194.88.80.201]
7 144 ms 143 ms 144 ms 212.113.14.1
8 145 ms 143 ms 153 ms 212.113.2.65
9 215 ms 216 ms 218 ms 209.244.3.197
10 220 ms 218 ms 228 ms core1.NewYork1.Level3.net [209.244.2.209]
11 218 ms 218 ms 215 ms level3-1.CR-1.NymcNY.savvis.net [209.83.160.25]

12 245 ms 256 ms 243 ms atm9-0-038.CR-1.StlsMO.savvis.net [209.83.222.9]

13 579 ms * * communi-1.SsE40.StlsMO.savvis.net [209.16.211.19
8]
14 259 ms 272 ms 264 ms communi-1.KscyMO.savvis.net [209.144.53.194]
15 268 ms 273 ms 274 ms www.what-next.com [209.15.7.48]

...completed trace!

JP

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i did a tracert rout thing on my site www.21studios.com and it came up with 500ms - 700ms is that good ? how do i copy and paste trace results?

500-700ms isn't very good. You should shoot for, at least, the 300s or better. You may want to talk to your hosting provider.

Shane Harter

Have to admit, it's 1 am, but these # are really good.

Tracing route to www.21studios.com [63.71.77.45]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 151 ms 140 ms 140 ms 216.36.38.250
2 221 ms 140 ms 140 ms 216.36.38.254
3 150 ms 161 ms 140 ms hssi0-0-0-105.gw1.pdx.pcrest.net [216.36.25.49]
4 161 ms 160 ms 180 ms 216.36.25.86
5 151 ms 160 ms 160 ms 216.88.192.109
6 230 ms 161 ms 160 ms 216.88.192.105
7 200 ms 161 ms 160 ms 905.Hssi5-0.GW1.SEA1.ALTER.NET [137.39.136.5]
8 161 ms * 170 ms 104.ATM2-0.XR1.SEA1.ALTER.NET [146.188.200.50]
9 150 ms 160 ms 160 ms 195.ATM3-0.TR1.SEA1.ALTER.NET [146.188.200.102]
10 320 ms 241 ms 260 ms 110.ATM7-0.TR1.DCA1.ALTER.NET [146.188.136.229]
11 221 ms 240 ms 220 ms 299.ATM6-0.XR1.DCA1.ALTER.NET [146.188.161.137]
12 220 ms 221 ms 220 ms 195.ATM9-0-0.GW3.DCA1.ALTER.NET [146.188.161.77]
13 221 ms 220 ms 240 ms awwm-gw.customer.ALTER.NET [157.130.16.58]
14 220 ms 241 ms 220 ms 21studios.com [63.71.77.45]

Trace complete.
Hey Chad, How about a lesson on what some of the stuff actually means. I can pick out some of the meanings (abbreviations), but not all.

pdx - portland, OR
sea - Seattle
DCA - I think is washington dc

What are some of the others listed?

Grandmaster, I'm in NT, but I click on the Icon in upper left corner of my DOS box. Choose edit, mark and then copy. Then I just paste it into this box using Ctrl V. I would say if you're gettin that slow of a ping, I would talk to your dial-up provider.

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wow 100-200 is good at night i guess : ) The Ping is slow cause i live in the booneys (woods) so i only get a 24.000kb connection... but i hope to get something faster.

Dan,

Pretty darn good if I say so myself. Hop 5 does in deed connect to Palo Alto, CA (above.net). It is then passed over to the MAE-WEST routers/servers. It so happens (and we don't know why because we aren't affiliated with them in any way) that it goes through the he.net servers/routers. They do have their servers/routers in the MAE-WEST building as well. Our servers are in deed in the MAE-WEST building in San Jose, CA.

I am not a networking expert either and that is why I wasn't sure of the abbreviations for those items but I think gateway for gw is a very good assumption. I notice that a lot of them ar GW5 or GW# - meaning that it is probably a router - router whatever of so many that it could have gone through.

I do know that ATM is in fact a type of a line. Any guesses or knowledge on what TR1 and XR1 is?

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A lesson huh? I never was good at teaching ... I actually had intentions of explaining some of this the last time you asked in this thread but I completely forgot so here goes.

ALTER.NET - UUNet Backbone (the best)
NYC - New York City (of course)
DCA - Washington DC
ATM - Type of connection line
GW - Type of connection line
TR1 - Type of connection line (I think)
XR1 - Type of connection line (I think)

Most of the time, the URL can be analyzed using the following:

connectiontype.city.server.com

Where connectiontype is in fact the type of connection it runs through (whether it be OC3, DS3, T3, etc.). This is usually one or two different items - connectiontype1.connectiontype2.

City is in fact the city that the connection is being made through.

Server.com is the name of the server that the connection is being made through. Sometimes the server.com can be one longer - something.server.com - most hosts and ISPs name their servers which would signigy the something.

Now a tracert of dids.com (go ahead and decipher it Dan - see if you understand):
Tracing route to dids.com [165.90.113.176]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 190 ms 167 ms 149 ms vernal4.easilink.com [192.41.78.4]
2 176 ms 149 ms 145 ms cisco.easilink.com [192.41.78.1]
3 182 ms 178 ms 166 ms 204-212-248-33.core1.itsnet.com [204.212.248.33]

4 186 ms 166 ms 210 ms wiggum.itsnet.com [192.41.96.1]
5 218 ms 245 ms 187 ms s1-1-0.gw03.slkc.eli.net [209.210.44.61]
6 234 ms 216 ms 218 ms fi4-1-0.cr01.slkc.eli.net [209.210.161.247]
7 187 ms 235 ms 261 ms a0-0--6.cr01.scrl.eli.net [207.173.113.174]
8 196 ms 228 ms 217 ms a8-0-0--1.cr01.plal.eli.net [207.173.114.69]
9 226 ms 208 ms 212 ms core1-gige.pao.above.net [209.249.0.244]
10 206 ms 204 ms 220 ms core1-mw-core1-pao-oc12.maew.above.net [207.126.
96.53]
11 223 ms 208 ms 251 ms mae-west-core1-oc3-2.maew.above.net [209.133.31.
182]
12 244 ms 229 ms 228 ms 100tx-f6-1.mae-west.he.net [207.126.96.98]
13 192 ms 205 ms 257 ms gige-g9-0.gsr12012.sjc.he.net [165.90.49.3]
14 195 ms 229 ms 226 ms dids.com [165.90.113.176]

Trace complete.

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Well, your dial up is probably easilink, and you're in vernal, utah , but I already knew where you are. Hop 5 is Salt Lake City
In hop 9, connects to above.net in Palo Alto, CA?? which briefly connects into the mae west system to pass it on to he.net (hurricane electric - i cheated and looked them up in WhoIs) in San Jose, CA. Would say your server(s) are in that general vicinity.

A lot of the nodes that use a 3 character code are using airport codes.

Could gw stand for gateway...does in other aspects of networking and gateway can be roughly translated to router.
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According to http://webopedia.internet.com/TERM/A/ATM.html ATM is:

Short for Asynchronous Transfer Mode, a network technology based on transferring data in cells or packets of a fixed size. The cell used with ATM is relatively small compared to units used with older technologies. The small, constant cell size allows ATM equipment to transmit video, audio, and computer data over the same network, and assure that no single type
of data hogs the line.

Current implementations of ATM support data transfer rates of from 25 to 622 Mbps (megabits per second). This compares to a maximum of 100 Mbps for Ethernet, the current technology used for most LANs. Some people think that ATM holds the answer to the Internet bandwidth problem, but others are skeptical. ATM creates a fixed channel, or route, between two
points whenever data transfer begins. This differs from TCP/IP, in which messages are divided into packets and each packet can take a different route from source to destination. This difference makes it easier to track and bill data usage across an ATM network, but it makes it less adaptable to sudden surges in network traffic.

Was no matches for XR1 and TR1

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