I use Dreamweaver (and I'm not a newbie!) and although it's still a WYSIWYG editor you can still hand code with it and it's a lot better than most other WYSIWYG editors.
Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....
Jack Michaelson posted this at 09:54 — 12th November 2003.
Exactly, Julia! It's a solid program that crosses a broad range of skills.
I started off with HoTMetaL but went to hand coding early on and never did get the hang of those WSYIWYG Editors, so when I have to make a recommendation, I look at what the pros use. Hence, Dreamweaver.
i hate all the extras. and if you'r a newb and not sure you wanna do this stuff, start off with mozilla. it have a free editor that's ok. but the reason to ask abouthe os is because aside from mac os pre-osx, there's a free programming editor that handles every langueage i've ever come across and it great since it does syntax highlighting, pretty printing and various other things.
Is mozilla composer really that good now? I started out with NS composer back in 97 and got really frustrated with it really fast. If you want to have smoother time learning how to do this is really is best to learn the code. It helps a lot when you know the limits of HTML and what the program is trying to do.
In any case, Dreamweaver is a fabulous piece of software to work with, for both nebies and advanced users.
You can do anything with DW that you can do with handcoding. DW has a lot of in-built tools that make things easier/quicker but at the end of the day it wont 'let you do' anything that you can't do with html.
Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....
druagord posted this at 14:38 — 14th November 2003.
The main reason i hand code is knowledge. When i learned html DW didn't exist and i will probably still be coding html when DW is replaced by something else. All that i have learned still serve me if you only know a WYSIWYG when it dissaper or change for something completly new all youre experience is lost.
IF , ELSE , WHILE isn't that what life is all about
again: if you're new and unsure you want to do this, don't spend the money for dreamweaver or frontpage.
use something free. i suggest moozilla compser if you want hand holding, xemacs or emacs if you don't
a text editor isn't good. it has limitations in the horizontal. if you're insane, you should be able to write the entire page as one line. that rules out something like notepad (text editor) and requires an editor made for this.
there's a few kinds. programing, scripting, and markup
markup editors should handle not just html, but anything in the xml family too.
scripting can normal handle markup languages, and are targeted to scripting languages (php/perl/etc).
programming editors, well they are often made for one language or made to handle every language.
the reason most people here will probalby say not to go for emacs or xemacs is thatit's a programming editor and way overkill for you. you don't need any of the programming languages. however it will allow you to do css, js, html, xhtml, java, php, asp, perl, and probably anything else you can think of
POSIX. because a stable os that doesn't have memory leaks and isn't buggy is always good.
Suzanne posted this at 04:05 — 17th November 2003.
I disagree. Dreamweaver is excellent for newbies (and oldbies) because it has a built in validator, help files, huge "dictionaries" of information, sample scripts, et cetera. It's far better than trying to use a text editor to learn, and it comes with a huge support system.
I use BBEdit and code by hand. I have since HoTMetaL Pro ticked me off in 1996. But if I was starting today, I'd get Dreamweaver in a second.
ESPECIALLY if I wasn't certain this was a path I wanted to follow. Using something on the cheap would only ensure I wouldn't follow the path. If you're just starting out, start out with the industry standard. If you decide this isn't for you, you have something worth reselling.
i see no reason to spend $300 on a product that does way more than necessary and adds a LOT of useless stuff at the begining that will confuse you when you try to look at the source and learn that.
and i agree, text editors are not the way to go. especially when learning it helps to have "pretty printing" as well as text highlighting, and for that you need something more than a text editor.
have you tried emacs or xemacs?
i ask because it has things to advise you (you have to turn them on) for every language. in html, it does have completions if you configure it to do that (personally i hate having an editor that thinks it knows what i want more than me. visual c++ kept screwing up when i programmed with that because it thought it knew what i want ans second guessed me... i didn't put up with that long.)
POSIX. because a stable os that doesn't have memory leaks and isn't buggy is always good.
Suzanne posted this at 04:20 — 17th November 2003.
The problem is that emacs and xemacs require a level of sophisticated knowledge that most newbies don't have, and they lack the support system that Dreamweaver has, in templates, merchant support, and being able to communicate directly with other people in the field.
Suzanne wrote: The problem is that emacs and xemacs require a level of sophisticated knowledge that most newbies don't have, and they lack the support system that Dreamweaver has, in templates, merchant support, and being able to communicate directly with other people in the field.
if you're serious about anything other than personal use then you need ot learn all that anyway so that you can truely make what you need for a situation.
if it's purely for a personal use, chances are you do't need anything more than the automation in mozilla composer. netscape composer (with version 3xx, which is what i used the first week till i decided i wanted to actually know what i was doing and understand it better) is the only editor like that that i used that didn't break down, and for the first 3 weeks, at the advice of teachers i used them, went through every free editor out there. even getting some cracked copies of pay ones and that was the best. about the only ones i didn't use were frontpage (had just come out) and dreamweaver.
either i'm exceptionally talented or i have to disagree with you, because i found it much better once i worked with the pure source.
maybe it's humility, and maybe it's just because i don't see how i could be as brilliant as you've suggested and actually have every had the issues that had me find this place......
maybe i'm that much of a freak....
POSIX. because a stable os that doesn't have memory leaks and isn't buggy is always good.
Suzanne posted this at 18:30 — 17th November 2003.
m3rajk wrote: maybe it's humility, and maybe it's just because i don't see how i could be as brilliant as you've suggested and actually have every had the issues that had me find this place......
lol, there is a huge world inbetween using freebie cheapos and compiling your own software. That's the world where many many people live -- the ones who think of computers as their tools only and don't want to make their own tools just to get the job done.
If you don't want to spend $300 on the full version, you might be able to get an older version for a lot less. That might be a good way to get started. You wouldn't have support for all the latest standards but you could always purchase the upgrades. It's too bad that Macromedia doesn't release their older versions as "lite" versions like Adobe does with Photoshop.
To answer your questions about audio/video - this will probably be easier with Dreamweaver. All you have to do is click a few options and you're done! No having to track down complicated pieces of code that may or may not work.
true. and considering that my dad's spent his life creating new hardware i guess it's not suprising that i found the compiling my own world the one that's more appealing to me
POSIX. because a stable os that doesn't have memory leaks and isn't buggy is always good.
Hope you're the same one from PHPDN. Nay here. Anyhow, I've gone on a hunt from using FrontPage to Editpad to DreamWeaver and all sorts of editors and for me the best is still Zend Studio. Well, I code PHP a lot more than anything so Zend just rocks.
Hope you're the same one from PHPDN. Nay here. Anyhow, I've gone on a hunt from using FrontPage to Editpad to DreamWeaver and all sorts of editors and for me the best is still Zend Studio. Well, I code PHP a lot more than anything so Zend just rocks.
-Nay
shortly before the crash i talked to someone from here that found the dev net. you're right. it is the same one.
and xemacs has a validator and a bunch of templates... i've started using the validator because it actually was able to validate all html displays for a php script =o)
i haven't used zend studio, but considering it was made for php, i'd be suprised if it wasn't the best for php. i use xemacs/emacs as a result of a need for versatility (ie: i program/script with a number of languages, therefore it's easier to have one that's strong and good with all of them than several that excel at just one)
POSIX. because a stable os that doesn't have memory leaks and isn't buggy is always good.
Jack Michaelson posted this at 07:17 — 21st May 2004.
If you have skills in any of the following: HTML, CSS, XML, XSL, JS, PHP, .NET, ASPX, plus one or more graphic editors then it's the cook who decides how good the website is gonna be, not the kitchen.
Personnally, I bought "the idiots guide once" and it came with a CD which had dreamweaver and a few other things I might use. And in it there was one program I love myself. Now, granted, I use Photoshop7.0.1 a ton but as far as a FTP and a good editor that colorcodes everything and works easily, I prefer CuteFTP. It is bundled software which has the FTP and the editior built right in but seperate. If anyone would like to try it, you can yahoo messege me at warbishop. And I'll give it to you, its freeware.
But dreamweaver is cool too, but as far as an editor, you cant beat CuteFTP for freeware I believe.
war
necrotic posted this at 01:19 — 20th November 2003.
I've found the EditPlus is a good editor. It's easy to preview and the snytax coloring is great. They have a download for the 4.01 Syntax Coloring which is awesome. PHP syntax coloring is also availble (as is just about anything else).
I'm checking out Mozilla's built in Composer program later. It looks nice from first looks. We'll see.
Before you go and choose a program you want to use, we need to know what type of site you are trying to develop. Also choosing a program depends on the complexity of the site, is it simplex or very complex? I recommend using Dreamweaver for you if you are not very familiar with web design its a great program and simple to use. Hope that helps.
Hehe...I've got to agree that Dreamweaver is certainly the way to go...I started out on Publisher , no seriously! I now code by hand but I have Dreamweaver to use as a sort of backup or tool. What I'd recommend is learn to code by hand. If you do that then you can use anything...then once you're confident enough with hand-coding move to something like Dreamweaver. Or you can do what I did and that was I looked at other people's source code and I worked out what was doing what. It may take time but I have a pretty good HTML knowledge.
The best combination of softwares to design a good websites are Photopshop, Dreamwearver, fireworks, flash thats what i think, different people have different views according to what they are master in. so you just see which one you can use eaisly
In web designing you need to do different tasks in different softwares like
u can make intro's in flash
layout in photoshop
slicing in fireworks or photoshop
and at the end optimizing the layout in Dearmweaver
try it out thats easy
if you want to learn more there are lot of nice poeple here in this forum who can help u out if you need any further assistance
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m3rajk posted this at 04:26 — 12th November 2003.
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what do you want to do? what operating system are you using?
Nimrod3922 posted this at 04:30 — 12th November 2003.
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i use xp home
Suzanne posted this at 04:35 — 12th November 2003.
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Dreamweaver for newbies. Might as well start with something that will teach you better habits.
The Webmistress posted this at 08:14 — 12th November 2003.
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I use Dreamweaver (and I'm not a newbie!) and although it's still a WYSIWYG editor you can still hand code with it and it's a lot better than most other WYSIWYG editors.
Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....
Jack Michaelson posted this at 09:54 — 12th November 2003.
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I still use HomeSite 4.5 on Windows 98 and XP.
On my Mac I use Adobe GoLive CS.
Suzanne posted this at 12:54 — 12th November 2003.
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Exactly, Julia! It's a solid program that crosses a broad range of skills.
I started off with HoTMetaL but went to hand coding early on and never did get the hang of those WSYIWYG Editors, so when I have to make a recommendation, I look at what the pros use. Hence, Dreamweaver.
m3rajk posted this at 01:03 — 13th November 2003.
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i hate all the extras. and if you'r a newb and not sure you wanna do this stuff, start off with mozilla. it have a free editor that's ok. but the reason to ask abouthe os is because aside from mac os pre-osx, there's a free programming editor that handles every langueage i've ever come across and it great since it does syntax highlighting, pretty printing and various other things.
it's called xemacs. it has a cousin called emacs
both free, but both you have to edit the source yourself. there's no hand holding.
POSIX. because a stable os that doesn't have memory leaks and isn't buggy is always good.
Renegade posted this at 03:30 — 13th November 2003.
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Yeah, I would recommend Dreamweaver but if you can't afford it them Mozilla Composer.
But if you are or start to get serious about web designing then and text editor will do - hand coding is the best way to go IMHO.
Megan posted this at 16:23 — 13th November 2003.
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Is mozilla composer really that good now? I started out with NS composer back in 97 and got really frustrated with it really fast. If you want to have smoother time learning how to do this is really is best to learn the code. It helps a lot when you know the limits of HTML and what the program is trying to do.
In any case, Dreamweaver is a fabulous piece of software to work with, for both nebies and advanced users.
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kb posted this at 22:10 — 13th November 2003.
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evrsoft.com/1stpage
I like it alot, and have used it for a long time. It is a hand-coder interface, but color codes tags, and is really easy to use.
Jack Michaelson posted this at 22:14 — 13th November 2003.
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That looks a lot like good old HomeSite 4.5!
Shakespeare: onclick || !(onclick)
Renegade posted this at 23:06 — 13th November 2003.
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I only said Mozilla Composer because it is quite small, free and comes with "everything" that a newbie would need.
But yes, I agree with you, Dreamweaver would be your best bet if you are willing to put in some capital for it.
Again, if you are serious about going into web design, then learn the code.
kb posted this at 23:19 — 13th November 2003.
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Jack...yea, well...guess what? alot of things look alike... ;-D (IE/NS,Win/(some)Linux, MP3 players, Media Programs, Email Programs...etc)
But seriously, alot of things do draw from others, and they try and build upon it to make it better as they think fits. Thats how innovations happen.
Nimrod3922 posted this at 00:33 — 14th November 2003.
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well i have two questions about using dreamweaver, can you put in video? and can you background music without having a plugin player show up?
kb posted this at 00:51 — 14th November 2003.
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you can do that without using Dreamweaver. i HIGHLY suggest learning to handcode, because it will greatly benefit you on questions like that.
instead of asking can it...ask can I? check out http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/geektalk/97/04/index4a.html?tw=multimedia
and
http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/multimedia/video/
The Webmistress posted this at 08:21 — 14th November 2003.
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You can do anything with DW that you can do with handcoding. DW has a lot of in-built tools that make things easier/quicker but at the end of the day it wont 'let you do' anything that you can't do with html.
Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....
druagord posted this at 14:38 — 14th November 2003.
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The main reason i hand code is knowledge. When i learned html DW didn't exist and i will probably still be coding html when DW is replaced by something else. All that i have learned still serve me if you only know a WYSIWYG when it dissaper or change for something completly new all youre experience is lost.
IF , ELSE , WHILE isn't that what life is all about
m3rajk posted this at 04:00 — 17th November 2003.
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again: if you're new and unsure you want to do this, don't spend the money for dreamweaver or frontpage.
use something free. i suggest moozilla compser if you want hand holding, xemacs or emacs if you don't
a text editor isn't good. it has limitations in the horizontal. if you're insane, you should be able to write the entire page as one line. that rules out something like notepad (text editor) and requires an editor made for this.
there's a few kinds. programing, scripting, and markup
markup editors should handle not just html, but anything in the xml family too.
scripting can normal handle markup languages, and are targeted to scripting languages (php/perl/etc).
programming editors, well they are often made for one language or made to handle every language.
the reason most people here will probalby say not to go for emacs or xemacs is thatit's a programming editor and way overkill for you. you don't need any of the programming languages. however it will allow you to do css, js, html, xhtml, java, php, asp, perl, and probably anything else you can think of
POSIX. because a stable os that doesn't have memory leaks and isn't buggy is always good.
Suzanne posted this at 04:05 — 17th November 2003.
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I disagree. Dreamweaver is excellent for newbies (and oldbies) because it has a built in validator, help files, huge "dictionaries" of information, sample scripts, et cetera. It's far better than trying to use a text editor to learn, and it comes with a huge support system.
I use BBEdit and code by hand. I have since HoTMetaL Pro ticked me off in 1996. But if I was starting today, I'd get Dreamweaver in a second.
ESPECIALLY if I wasn't certain this was a path I wanted to follow. Using something on the cheap would only ensure I wouldn't follow the path. If you're just starting out, start out with the industry standard. If you decide this isn't for you, you have something worth reselling.
m3rajk posted this at 04:15 — 17th November 2003.
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i see no reason to spend $300 on a product that does way more than necessary and adds a LOT of useless stuff at the begining that will confuse you when you try to look at the source and learn that.
and i agree, text editors are not the way to go. especially when learning it helps to have "pretty printing" as well as text highlighting, and for that you need something more than a text editor.
have you tried emacs or xemacs?
i ask because it has things to advise you (you have to turn them on) for every language. in html, it does have completions if you configure it to do that (personally i hate having an editor that thinks it knows what i want more than me. visual c++ kept screwing up when i programmed with that because it thought it knew what i want ans second guessed me... i didn't put up with that long.)
POSIX. because a stable os that doesn't have memory leaks and isn't buggy is always good.
Suzanne posted this at 04:20 — 17th November 2003.
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The problem is that emacs and xemacs require a level of sophisticated knowledge that most newbies don't have, and they lack the support system that Dreamweaver has, in templates, merchant support, and being able to communicate directly with other people in the field.
m3rajk posted this at 18:06 — 17th November 2003.
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if you're serious about anything other than personal use then you need ot learn all that anyway so that you can truely make what you need for a situation.
if it's purely for a personal use, chances are you do't need anything more than the automation in mozilla composer. netscape composer (with version 3xx, which is what i used the first week till i decided i wanted to actually know what i was doing and understand it better) is the only editor like that that i used that didn't break down, and for the first 3 weeks, at the advice of teachers i used them, went through every free editor out there. even getting some cracked copies of pay ones and that was the best. about the only ones i didn't use were frontpage (had just come out) and dreamweaver.
either i'm exceptionally talented or i have to disagree with you, because i found it much better once i worked with the pure source.
maybe it's humility, and maybe it's just because i don't see how i could be as brilliant as you've suggested and actually have every had the issues that had me find this place......
maybe i'm that much of a freak....
POSIX. because a stable os that doesn't have memory leaks and isn't buggy is always good.
Suzanne posted this at 18:30 — 17th November 2003.
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lol, there is a huge world inbetween using freebie cheapos and compiling your own software. That's the world where many many people live -- the ones who think of computers as their tools only and don't want to make their own tools just to get the job done.
Megan posted this at 14:21 — 17th November 2003.
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If you don't want to spend $300 on the full version, you might be able to get an older version for a lot less. That might be a good way to get started. You wouldn't have support for all the latest standards but you could always purchase the upgrades. It's too bad that Macromedia doesn't release their older versions as "lite" versions like Adobe does with Photoshop.
To answer your questions about audio/video - this will probably be easier with Dreamweaver. All you have to do is click a few options and you're done! No having to track down complicated pieces of code that may or may not work.
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m3rajk posted this at 17:33 — 19th November 2003.
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true. and considering that my dad's spent his life creating new hardware i guess it's not suprising that i found the compiling my own world the one that's more appealing to me
POSIX. because a stable os that doesn't have memory leaks and isn't buggy is always good.
Nay posted this at 16:45 — 6th December 2003.
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Hey m3rajk,
Hope you're the same one from PHPDN. Nay here. Anyhow, I've gone on a hunt from using FrontPage to Editpad to DreamWeaver and all sorts of editors and for me the best is still Zend Studio. Well, I code PHP a lot more than anything so Zend just rocks.
-Nay
m3rajk posted this at 01:49 — 31st December 2003.
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shortly before the crash i talked to someone from here that found the dev net. you're right. it is the same one.
and xemacs has a validator and a bunch of templates... i've started using the validator because it actually was able to validate all html displays for a php script =o)
i haven't used zend studio, but considering it was made for php, i'd be suprised if it wasn't the best for php. i use xemacs/emacs as a result of a need for versatility (ie: i program/script with a number of languages, therefore it's easier to have one that's strong and good with all of them than several that excel at just one)
POSIX. because a stable os that doesn't have memory leaks and isn't buggy is always good.
Jack Michaelson posted this at 07:17 — 21st May 2004.
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IMHO, it doesn't really matter.
If you have skills in any of the following: HTML, CSS, XML, XSL, JS, PHP, .NET, ASPX, plus one or more graphic editors then it's the cook who decides how good the website is gonna be, not the kitchen.
Shakespeare: onclick || !(onclick)
warbishop posted this at 18:13 — 29th May 2004.
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Personnally, I bought "the idiots guide once" and it came with a CD which had dreamweaver and a few other things I might use. And in it there was one program I love myself. Now, granted, I use Photoshop7.0.1 a ton but as far as a FTP and a good editor that colorcodes everything and works easily, I prefer CuteFTP. It is bundled software which has the FTP and the editior built right in but seperate. If anyone would like to try it, you can yahoo messege me at warbishop. And I'll give it to you, its freeware.
But dreamweaver is cool too, but as far as an editor, you cant beat CuteFTP for freeware I believe.
war
necrotic posted this at 01:19 — 20th November 2003.
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I've found the EditPlus is a good editor. It's easy to preview and the snytax coloring is great. They have a download for the 4.01 Syntax Coloring which is awesome. PHP syntax coloring is also availble (as is just about anything else).
I'm checking out Mozilla's built in Composer program later. It looks nice from first looks. We'll see.
EDIT: So it sucks IMO.
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mloz posted this at 17:29 — 29th November 2003.
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Ill put in a good word for Netscape Composer... You can thrash Netscape all you want but Composer is still pretty good and very easy to understand.
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scouchman2 posted this at 06:02 — 1st December 2003.
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Before you go and choose a program you want to use, we need to know what type of site you are trying to develop. Also choosing a program depends on the complexity of the site, is it simplex or very complex? I recommend using Dreamweaver for you if you are not very familiar with web design its a great program and simple to use. Hope that helps.
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Timewell posted this at 16:11 — 6th December 2003.
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Hehe...I've got to agree that Dreamweaver is certainly the way to go...I started out on Publisher
, no seriously! I now code by hand but I have Dreamweaver to use as a sort of backup or tool. What I'd recommend is learn to code by hand. If you do that then you can use anything...then once you're confident enough with hand-coding move to something like Dreamweaver. Or you can do what I did and that was I looked at other people's source code and I worked out what was doing what. It may take time but I have a pretty good HTML knowledge.
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mvander posted this at 23:01 — 30th December 2003.
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Homesite 5
I've tried quite a few and always end up using Homesite.
Virkson (not verified) posted this at 19:13 — 20th May 2004.
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The best combination of softwares to design a good websites are Photopshop, Dreamwearver, fireworks, flash thats what i think, different people have different views according to what they are master in. so you just see which one you can use eaisly
In web designing you need to do different tasks in different softwares like
u can make intro's in flash
layout in photoshop
slicing in fireworks or photoshop
and at the end optimizing the layout in Dearmweaver
try it out thats easy
if you want to learn more there are lot of nice poeple here in this forum who can help u out if you need any further assistance
thanks
jawad
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