tables going mad..

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hi ladies & gents...

i got a problem with layout cells in dreamweaver...click the url below to see my problem..

http://forum.dreamweaverwebmaster.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2796&FORUM_ID=1&CAT_ID=1&Topic_Title=Tables+GONE+mad%21%21%21+%5Bbig+pics+%2D+56k+warning%21%21%21%5D&Forum_Title=Advanced+Users

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can we see a page (see the code)
Without seeing the code, my guess would be to check all the extra junk DW adds, like   or   etc, because these display differentlt between browsers even more so if CSS is used to try fix these extras.

Also check that DW hasn't added height tags with percentages in them

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It could also be due to the alignment you have set for the tables. As Busy says, let us have the actual code and I'll have a look in DW.

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Here is the code......

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A:visited {TEXT-DECORATION: none}
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ok here the deal....
even in DW lets say i move a table on the right....the tables on the right move down....(look @ the 1st post to see what i mean)

lets say i resize the table in the middle (height) the tables on the right move down?

why why why why why why? take the code that i gave u..paste it in DW and fool around with the table called "introduction" (select it and press enter to make the height longer......) thern u will see that the tables on the right ('latest posts' - 'babe of the month'..etc ) moves down..

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in that code there are a lot of blank table cells, is this forum not showing the   ? ie:  

My version of DW is probably to old for this but looking at the code I'd say it's the blank td cells (with or without the  ). browsers have different margin/padding/spacing properties, you could try set a font size with css ie: td {size:1em;font-family:verdana,arial,sans-serief;} note 1em is pretty big and see if the spacing improves.

You have a lot of badly nested tables with a lot of empty cells, this could be causing the up and down problem. height shouldn't really be used in tables, images always thou

Your tag should be between your and tags, you have it after the .

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i ahve alotta empty tables becuz i draw alot of layout cells than make blue cells inside of them...?

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I'm a little stymied by that response. I'm not sure how to respond back! Creating a table in this way is cumbersome and takes more space and resources than is necessary. Would you reconsider your development techniques?

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Do you know how to use layers or Divs? If you do, then I suggest that you use them Laughing out loud

Or else learn how to "tab" you markup because I found that once I tabbed my html/coding A lot of errors were found and corrected, it also made checking, and "debugging" easier Laughing out loud

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ok...i use tio use layers...but they make so much coding thus making the code solong and they movearound..in browsers - opera..

ok so if u draw a green table how do u get text and text next to each other..

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Maybe Julia can help, I have no idea what you're talking about with the green and blue tables and such.

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What radman is talking about is in the table layout view in DW tables are labled in green and then cells are highlighted in blue.

Radman, I think you really need to look at the way you start putting your pages together. You have a table here with 18 rows and 8 columns. Things are moving around because when you then put other tables inside these columns you are directly affecting the cells surround that one. I suggest you try a layout without nesting tables and certainly not having them set up with so many cells/rows.

Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....

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hpw do u do that...can u give me a toturial or something.......all i want is to set my site up like that with as little html a spossible...and when i update it (move stuff around) other tables or layers dont gert affected...is there a program that i can use then instead of dreamweaver??????? how do ppl build there sites with tables then????? can u give me an example of a site with tables so i can have a look @ it in DW???

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Quote: how do ppl build there sites with tables then?????

They hand code it Laughing out loud

My experience with DW is if you take a good site and view/change it in DW the results can be bad, DW does alsorts of bad stuff, especially if DW isn't set up right.

Have a look at the link in my sig, go to tables 2 (second tables page) has examples of how you can make tabled layouts etc

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Quote:
how do ppl build there sites with tables then?????

They use CSS and DIVs.

/me runs Wink

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I use Dreamweaver MX, and used Dreamweaver 4 before that. My experience with drawing tables and cells has been, DISASTEROUS. I recommend not doing it.

Here is what I do now. I get into Table view, and I choose INSERT, and then Table. Then I choose whether or not I want my page to be stretchy, or fixed. Difference is using Percent, or pixels. I usually pick 700 Pixels for a fixed one. That creates your main basis of a table. Then, while you are inside that table (with a blinking cursor), I go down to where there is a the Property Bar, and there are two buttons, one is a Consolidate cells button (consolidate might not be the word), and the other button is one that splits the table into "x" amount of cells. I.e, Columns or Rows. By doing this, you can then have different areas to go and put information. What is also nice, is it makes inserting a new table very easy. Just find a cell where you might want new information (without all the moving of cells) and choose INSERT TABLE, and then choose your specified Width. To change height, you are better off either selecting the table, and manually typing in the height you want, on the property bar, or just dragging the table down to how large you want it. I recommend the typing manually. It takes time, but it beats having to type everything out hardcoding. Alot of people put down dreamweaver, but its nice to be able to see what is going on with the webpage without having to open up your text editor, type your code, choose save as, save it, then open up your browser, then open the file up, view it, open up the text editor, find where you need to make the change, save it again, then reopen it in a browser. You can always have the split screen in dreamweaver to see the code and the tables at work.

I hope that helps some, but I recommend using that EZHTML tutorial that BUSY recommended.

bryan

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I agree, DW isn't all that bad but you really shouldn't just rely on it for doing all the code, you really need to know to code properly in order for things to work properly and to tweek the code. Have a look at Busy's tutorial which should help you have a better understanding of tables and how they should work.

Don't set heights for tables!

Julia - if life was meant to be easy Michael Angelo would have painted the floor....

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divs= layers = noo no no!

ok cool i am on my way to ezhtml ...thanx

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