Table layouts
Hi Peeps
Would like to build a template to a ecommerce site , know html to a degree but never designed a layout like one I would like to do now.
Basically a table across the top.
colum down left for menu.
Main page in the middle
column down right for advertising stuff im selling elsewhere onthe site
maybe table across the bottom for addition info such as a footer
Any pointers would be great
tried webeditor 2006 last night, was getting there but not sure im in the first direction
The column down the right. WOuld i need a full length one , then put smaller tables inside to place different pictures as links. Suppose to easiest way to explain is the layout of the amazon site.
Don't want some cheesy looking layout so rather put work into this than settle for second best and competitors looking better layout wise
Cheers for any feedback
Rob
sussexrob posted this at 08:24 — 3rd August 2006.
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oh by the way
I have a book on css coming. Is it worth doing with css rather than html tables as i would like to learn css anyway
Ta
Rob
Megan posted this at 12:59 — 3rd August 2006.
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CSS is really the most modern way of doing things. If you learn tables you're learning something that's really quickly falling out of favour. None of the top designers use tables anymore, and it's slowly trickling down to everyone else (although I'm sure Busy will be piping up and saying that there's nothing wrong with tables .... some still refuse to accept it).
CSS can be a little frustrating at first but it's worth it in the end. There are lots of code samples out there on the web that you can borrow. Just do a google search for "CSS three column layout" and you'll come up with lots of examples.
I think you'll also be less likely to end up with something cheesy looking if you use CSS but that all depends on how you use it
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sussexrob posted this at 13:56 — 3rd August 2006.
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Thankyou very much for that reply!!
I will definatly look into the css route, i definatly dont want to cheesy look
very much appreciated
rob
teammatt3 posted this at 15:36 — 3rd August 2006.
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I used to use tables for layout too, but I find maintaining a CSS based layout way easier. Tables can go so confusing sometimes, and if you don't have a WYSIWYG editor it is almost impossible to work with them.
You may want to check out this site, http://www.pmob.co.uk/, it has to be the best CSS example site I have ever come across. The examples are a bit cheesy looking, but you can change the colors to make them look good.
sussexrob posted this at 16:18 — 3rd August 2006.
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cheer for the link to that site, now i wish i could do all that... alot to learn eh
Really appreciate the help
cheers
Rob
DaveyBoy posted this at 18:55 — 3rd August 2006.
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There isn't anything 'wrong' with using them, no matter what people say. It's just an old-fashioned way of doing something and you can still get results you want and usually quicker (in my experience). I'm really sick of reading that it's wrong. Who says? It's probably more cumbersome but at the end of the day I can still get whatever result I want
Not arguing about it any more, just my 2 pence there.
steve40 posted this at 20:40 — 3rd August 2006.
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Daveyboy.
I second that opinion, I think those who don't use tables just don't know how. Besides its just like a lot of other stuff, rules made up by someone who just wants everything their way. Who is in the position to tell someone what is right, or wrong. (GOD). I don't think any of us qualify's for that position.
Megan posted this at 21:41 — 3rd August 2006.
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Guys, please stop saying stuff like this. It's just going to force someone to respond and start an argument.
People who use CSS did use tables at one point but converted to CSS more recently. We did know how to do it once, we're not dumb. It also is the recommended method by pretty much any authority in the field, no question. It's not really a rule, but more of a guideline, made by the only recognized authorities (the w3c). They are the only aurhorities we have in this business so yes, they are in a position to make recommendations. They're not forcing anyone to do anything.
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Busy posted this at 21:08 — 3rd August 2006.
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http://www.ezhtml.net/eztables2.html shows how to do several tabled layouts
DaveyBoy posted this at 21:49 — 3rd August 2006.
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Yeah i'm not saying people don't know how to use them, I just wanna use em without getting grief
I like going against authority, it didn't work in school but it seems to now lol
steve40 posted this at 23:10 — 3rd August 2006.
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Who voted W3C in as any authority, I sure didn't (the same goes for Bill Gates when he said 650k would be enough for me, or anyone else). Well that might be a little strong to say that some people don't know how to use tables, but there will sure be a good crop of newbies who wont. It might benefit them sometime to learn though.
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Megan posted this at 12:53 — 4th August 2006.
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We have to have an aurhority of some kind and that's the best we've got. If we had no standards it would be mass chaos (remember web design in 1997, anyone?). Someone has to create those standards and the W3C is the current recognized authority, like it or not. You can choose to go your own way if you want, I don't care.
I've heard some rumblings from some well known leaders in the field expresing frustration with the W3C lately. Mainly about being too swayed by big corporations and not regular people and not moving quickly enough with certain recommendations.
Ha, just looked up the history of the W3C to try to answer this question and found this on their timeline
December 1996 and we're still arguing about it! That tells you something about the effectiveness of that organization! I don't think they're perfect, by any means, but theyr'e the best we've got right now.
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demonhale posted this at 02:43 — 4th August 2006.
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Use what your comfortable with as I often say, and I choose to use whatever suits my needs on a certain day, be it css or tables. A combination works too... and table persons must admit they use css in conjunction with their tabled designs...
steve40 posted this at 03:43 — 4th August 2006.
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Yep!.
waffles posted this at 14:11 — 4th August 2006.
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My only big greif against tables is the fact that they wait until everything is loaded before they display. If you've got a small site it doesn't matter.
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sussexrob posted this at 10:06 — 6th August 2006.
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Hi all
Well my posting certainly led to a few wound up people heh
I am just learning CSS, all looks good but i need whatever i click on in the nav menu to load in the middle but leave the menu and the 3rd column alone. Would i need a table in the end in the middle, or how else would i do it?
At the moment Im using a host which uses tags, so their tag would go in the html, but needs a container.
any ideas or guideance?
cheers guys and gals
Rob
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