HTML's a Tag Too
I saw this on digg a few days ago and I thought you might want to read through it. http://avalonstar.com/2006/07/11/htmls-a-tag-too/
Basically it says you can use the html and body tags to make a layout centered without the use of any 's.
This would be a centered layout, no divs are used.
html {
background: #ffffff;
height: 100%;
margin: 0 0 1px;
}
body {
background: #333333;
color: #ffffff;
font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
margin: 0 auto;
width: 780px;
}
Megan posted this at 19:46 — 13th July 2006.
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I have a question about this:
margin: 0 0 1px;'When there are only three dimensions listed, what are they referring too? I hadn't seen that until today when I started building a user stylsheet for ALA and they've used it quite a bit too. I also noticed that they've done away with extra div's in a lot of places (which does make it a little more challenging to hack their CSS!).
I saw that on digg too and sort of wondered if you're supposed to be styling the html element in this way but I can't think of any reason why not...
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Jack Michaelson posted this at 08:49 — 17th July 2006.
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This means that the fourth dimension (in this case the left margin) equals the second, the right margin. So this actually says: margin: 0 0 1px 0;
It's the same logic as: margin: 0px 0px; where the first zero defines the top and bottom margin and the second zero defines the right and left margin.
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Megan posted this at 12:39 — 17th July 2006.
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Oh, I see! I've been seeing that in code all over the place now. I don't really see the point in being confusing in order to drop just a few characters!
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teammatt3 posted this at 20:23 — 13th July 2006.
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Did you read the comments below the article? This guy says it is valid. I should also mention that it doesn't work properly in IE 5 (according to the article.)
Busy posted this at 21:48 — 13th July 2006.
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hmmmm CSS in the html tag, I think this is pushing it a bit far as the html tag is more of a file type(structure type) than an actual html element. is what the file is, is what the contents of the file.
This is quite scary really, if the tag can be abused then the title and head tags could be too, imagine if CSS was used in the title tag (have never tried it to see if it would work), javascript can be used to add crap up there, imagine rainbow text, images, scroll bars ...
JeevesBond posted this at 12:11 — 17th July 2006.
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This is actually an XML thing, when all browsers (or rather IE) move to an XML parser (instead of SGML) all tags just become tags and loses it's special magic.
Not sure about the title and head elements though, theoretically the same would apply. But why would anyone want to change them?!
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Busy posted this at 21:04 — 17th July 2006.
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Why would someone disable the back button, use flash only splash screens, make links the same colour as the text, colour the scroll bars ... because they can.
Megan posted this at 12:59 — 18th July 2006.
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Busy - i thought the same as you did about styling the HTML element. I even looked it up on the W3 pages and it doesn't even document what it's actually for. I suppose it assumes you know that it's a container for the head and body tags and a declaration of the mark-up language. But if it's just a container, are you supposed to be able to apply style to it? I don't know.
Just because something passes the validator doesn't mean that it's actually correct. Lots of things pass the validator but aren't actually proper use of the code. I've also heard some things about the current validator being broken.
I'll have to do a test to see if styling on a title tag would pass the validator. That's clearly nonsensical. I actually don't validate CSS too much so I'm not sure how that tool behaves.
ETA: this code validates:
/* CSS Document */
head {font: 30% Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif #c00;}
title {font-weight: bold; color: #3399CC; font-size: 13px;}
meta {font-weight: bold; color: #3399CC; font-size: 13px;}
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