the first one is for an individual table and the second one is for all tables on the page. The problem is though that it only works in IE.
Another minus is that you might have to write the dimensions of columns (although this is not necessary but then the browser looks at the first row and sets the width of the columns corresponding to that first row).
Example of setting the width of the columns:
.........
:
Nutrocker posted this at 23:42 — 15th August 2000.
Tables don't show any content until the the whole table code has loaded, correct? So is there a way to show the content of a table before it has completed loading? I think that's the jist.
Slap me if I am wrong
My pages are a prime example of this, the main table does not load until it feels like it LOL
The only thing I've seen that you can do to speed this up is actually choping your tables. If you have one table that holds the entire content, see if you can do without it or split it into several smaller ones.
Mark Hensler
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Mike Fisher posted this at 00:07 — 16th August 2000.
All I wanted to know is if there is any way to make the content of a table show up on the screen as it loads not after all the content loads. Tables have this "disability" -- they dont show the content until the whole table is loaded. For example if you have 1000 rows in your table nothing will be visible until all 1000 rows are downloaded.
you can make the page appear to load more quickly by limiting the size of your tables. If you have a 1000 row table, make 10 100 row tables instead.
Obviously this may not work if you have a complex table background graphic, but it does work.
WARNING!! Link to commercial site follows!! It's an example, I'm net trying to sell you something. Honest!
I do this on my business site The Digital Page. You'll notice that as the page loads the text comes in first as the graphics at the top of the "paper" load.
This is actually three tables, the top section, the text section, and the links section, each its own table, but it looks like one large table.
This might be a possible solution to your problem.
hth
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Mark Hensler posted this at 00:59 — 16th August 2000.
Bimjo's site is all vertical. Yours has paraller tables. When you put tables back to back () it creates a line break (so they're over under, not side by side).
You could maybe chop a little more off, tho-. Everything from the "Search The Net" and above could be put into a new table, and the four links at the botton could be too (not that they'll help much).
ALSO...
I just noticed your news thingy. I have one on my site. If you remove that, you will probably notice a speed increase too. The javascript has to run (from the other guys server) and get the latest headlines, and then it'll display.
Mark Hensler
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exactly!! there is no way to do that using separate tables! so that's why I am looking for a way to make table load... blah blah blah you know the rest
what you needed. I think you're right, since you're already using 5 different tables with none nested you are at the mercy of your content in each cell.
You can maybe help yourself out by making the corner graphics etc background images and using a 1x1 trans gif as the cell contents for those cells. Stretch it in html to the height/width you need. I do that for the edge of the "paper" on my site and it's usually the last part to come in, while everything else displays.
Other than that you either live with it as is, or go with a different design altogether.
Sorry I haven't been more help.
**** Edited to add:
Just thought of something. Since you are using CSS to position your tables using a DIV tag, is there some reason you couldn't just configure your DIV with a background color and not use a table at all?
Make your blue line graphics one image and place the image, a break tag, content, another break tag, and the bottom image.
I'm doing that on my personal site (in sig) and it loads really fast. Granted, it's all in one DIV (well, nested 4 deep), but... it might be worth looking at.
Obviously your layout goes to hell in a non-CSS browser. Does now too, though to a lesser degree.
On a cheerier note, the content (as is)loads very quickly in the newest build of Mozilla (M17 I think- faster than IE 5.0 even) and the graphics come in later.
[Edited by Bimjo on 08-16-2000 at 01:04 AM]
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It's just yesterday I "converted" everything to css. Before I had those small tables in one big table and as you see NOTHING displayed until the content loaded
I think what I did now is much much faster. Though I had A HELL OF A TIME making it work for both IE and Netscape.
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Mike Fisher posted this at 20:25 — 15th August 2000.
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From what I know... No.
evilbug posted this at 20:34 — 15th August 2000.
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I know that you can use CSS attribute text-layout:fixed but it only works in IE.
evilbug posted this at 20:35 — 15th August 2000.
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I meant table-layout not text-layout.
my brains are fried already.. grr...
Mike Fisher posted this at 23:29 — 15th August 2000.
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Actually, I wasn't really sure what you mean.
If you give a more.. detailed explination I might be able to help you.
evilbug posted this at 23:40 — 15th August 2000.
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you can do this:
or this:
table {table-layout:fixed}
the first one is for an individual table and the second one is for all tables on the page. The problem is though that it only works in IE.
Another minus is that you might have to write the dimensions of columns (although this is not necessary but then the browser looks at the first row and sets the width of the columns corresponding to that first row).
Example of setting the width of the columns:
.........
:
Nutrocker posted this at 23:42 — 15th August 2000.
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Mike
Excuse me for butting in.
Tables don't show any content until the the whole table code has loaded, correct? So is there a way to show the content of a table before it has completed loading? I think that's the jist.
Slap me if I am wrong
My pages are a prime example of this, the main table does not load until it feels like it LOL
Don
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evilbug posted this at 23:51 — 15th August 2000.
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Yes, you are correct.
What we're trying to figure out is how to make it show the content as it loads
Mark Hensler posted this at 23:56 — 15th August 2000.
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this is something I could use...
The only thing I've seen that you can do to speed this up is actually choping your tables. If you have one table that holds the entire content, see if you can do without it or split it into several smaller ones.
Mark Hensler
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Mike Fisher posted this at 00:07 — 16th August 2000.
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....I still don't see what you mean.
What I -think- you're getting at is how to set it so the table is the full size? Ugh. I don't know.
evilbug posted this at 00:28 — 16th August 2000.
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ok, never mind.
Don't worry about it
All I wanted to know is if there is any way to make the content of a table show up on the screen as it loads not after all the content loads. Tables have this "disability" -- they dont show the content until the whole table is loaded. For example if you have 1000 rows in your table nothing will be visible until all 1000 rows are downloaded.
I guess there is no way to do this for netscape..
Bimjo posted this at 00:52 — 16th August 2000.
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you can make the page appear to load more quickly by limiting the size of your tables. If you have a 1000 row table, make 10 100 row tables instead.
Obviously this may not work if you have a complex table background graphic, but it does work.
WARNING!! Link to commercial site follows!! It's an example, I'm net trying to sell you something. Honest!
I do this on my business site The Digital Page. You'll notice that as the page loads the text comes in first as the graphics at the top of the "paper" load.
This is actually three tables, the top section, the text section, and the links section, each its own table, but it looks like one large table.
This might be a possible solution to your problem.
hth
Bimjo
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Mark Hensler posted this at 00:59 — 16th August 2000.
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That's exactly what I was trying to explain.
I'm glad someone has an example.
evilbug posted this at 01:07 — 16th August 2000.
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ok, take a look at http://www.divein.to
how would you do that using multiple tables?
Mark Hensler posted this at 01:20 — 16th August 2000.
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I don't think you can.
Bimjo's site is all vertical. Yours has paraller tables. When you put tables back to back () it creates a line break (so they're over under, not side by side).
You could maybe chop a little more off, tho-. Everything from the "Search The Net" and above could be put into a new table, and the four links at the botton could be too (not that they'll help much).
ALSO...
I just noticed your news thingy. I have one on my site. If you remove that, you will probably notice a speed increase too. The javascript has to run (from the other guys server) and get the latest headlines, and then it'll display.
Mark Hensler
If there is no answer on Google, then there is no question.
evilbug posted this at 01:27 — 16th August 2000.
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exactly!! there is no way to do that using separate tables! so that's why I am looking for a way to make table load... blah blah blah you know the rest
Bimjo posted this at 04:51 — 16th August 2000.
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what you needed. I think you're right, since you're already using 5 different tables with none nested you are at the mercy of your content in each cell.
You can maybe help yourself out by making the corner graphics etc background images and using a 1x1 trans gif as the cell contents for those cells. Stretch it in html to the height/width you need. I do that for the edge of the "paper" on my site and it's usually the last part to come in, while everything else displays.
Other than that you either live with it as is, or go with a different design altogether.
Sorry I haven't been more help.
**** Edited to add:
Just thought of something. Since you are using CSS to position your tables using a DIV tag, is there some reason you couldn't just configure your DIV with a background color and not use a table at all?
Make your blue line graphics one image and place the image, a break tag, content, another break tag, and the bottom image.
I'm doing that on my personal site (in sig) and it loads really fast. Granted, it's all in one DIV (well, nested 4 deep), but... it might be worth looking at.
Obviously your layout goes to hell in a non-CSS browser. Does now too, though to a lesser degree.
On a cheerier note, the content (as is)loads very quickly in the newest build of Mozilla (M17 I think- faster than IE 5.0 even) and the graphics come in later.
[Edited by Bimjo on 08-16-2000 at 01:04 AM]
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evilbug posted this at 13:35 — 16th August 2000.
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It's just yesterday I "converted" everything to css. Before I had those small tables in one big table and as you see NOTHING displayed until the content loaded
I think what I did now is much much faster. Though I had A HELL OF A TIME making it work for both IE and Netscape.
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